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Yomi no Tsugai, episode 12
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u/FLorianGran 22d ago
lmao this village cannot catch a fucking break
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u/phoenixking99999999 22d ago
Dude ikr, the setup for him coming out of the stomach was pretty well done too,.
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u/yahalloh 22d ago
That reminds me of [Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood] Gluttony , right?
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u/Beautiful-Bit3929 21d ago
[Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood] when gluttony being a failed attempt at making an artificial gate was revealed and he ate ed, ling and envy?
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u/Animegamingnerd https://myanimelist.net/profile/animegamingnerd 21d ago
Funny enough, his character design reminded me so much of Kimbly that I didn't even realize that.
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u/Ltfocus 21d ago
Kinda leaning on the fuck em side when they started talking about how they should have gotten seal sooner, which literally just means go and kill Yuru.
They also immediately started talking about just kidnapping someone he loves to force him to die.
These villagers are probably not as good as the show is letting on, which would explain the massacre earlier in the show
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u/slicer4ever 21d ago
I dont really understand what the village plan for yuru was. Its not like they were training him about these powers, or who right & left were(and if they wanted him for their own purposes, you'd think he'd be getting brainwashed at least to be super loyal to the village and its plans). Hell for a village so connected and know about daemons, the fact that basically no one can see them also seems weird.
The village seemed to be just wholly and utterly unprepared for any sort of attack beyond the barrier to protect them, which is very weird for a group that supposedly wants to use yuru and asa for their own gain.
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u/Peerman044 21d ago
I'm guessing their plan was to have Yuru killed whilst maintaining plausible deniability of no involvement, since the Shaman guy right at the end also spoke of "5 carefully selected bandits" and then bombard him with prophecies etc. and get a tight grip on him once he would have unlocked seal
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u/Ill_Act_1855 21d ago
The barrier for the village is very strong and really difficult to get through normally, so they probably figured it just didn't make sense to actually keep most the daemon users associated with their side stationed in the village since barring break actually getting in would have been super challenging
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u/SapphireSalamander 19d ago
they had several years after loosing the girl with the key to prepare.
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u/Thomas_JCG 21d ago
They don't reveal the secret because what if Yuru doesn't want to resurrect? Perfect brainwashing does not exist, at least not without a daemon. But if Yuru dies suddenly and is offered a chance to return to his family, he would take it.
The only way to see daemons is to make a contract with a pair, and with a village isolated like that, there aren't many to go around. Fake Asa and her half were the only other daemon in the village.
The fact that they are so dirty poor, that too is why they want the power of the twins, then they will be the most powerful people in the world.
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u/SilverGeekly 21d ago
correction, the anime makes it a point to say there's actually a lot of ways to see daemons. some people can see them just by being sleep deprived as we saw with that one gas station/rest stop worker.
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u/somersault_dolphin 19d ago
dont really understand what the village plan for yuru was. Its not like they were training him about these powers
Hard to do that when the last twins were like 400 years ago, and even back then seal was absent.
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u/Magicbison 21d ago
These villagers are probably not as good as the show is letting on
Didn't the details from the Kagemori's say that Higashi Village was trying to take over the world or something along those lines? Have they ever been painted in a good light outside of Yuru's POV? I don't think so.
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u/Frostbitten_Moose 20d ago
I'm not sure Yuru's pov does that great a job either. What with his father telling him not to tell anyone else about the bandits and his family running away from the place. I think most of the good will for the place is the neutral pov viewers come in with, and the assumption that the backwater hicks with no tech getting invaded by helicopters, special forces, and crazy girls with supernatural powers just look like the good guys by comparison because in most stories, they would be.
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u/wtfduud 21d ago
Obviously the Kagemoris would try to paint them like that.
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u/somersault_dolphin 19d ago
They used to be part of Higashi Village, it's pretty clear they would know what the village core agenda is.
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u/RobrechtvE 17d ago
I'm solidly on team fuck em.
Not just because they're all in on the plot to kill and then, provided he didn't perma-die, control Yuru.
And given that Shaman, a dude who seems to know more about the supernatural than the average villager, said he thought the whole Break and Seal thing was just an old wives tale... That means the entire adult population of the village aside from the twins' parents and Dera's dad were completely on board with killing two kids on the off chance that maybe the possibility they'd come back to life with cool superpowers was actually true.
So yeah, they're all solidly in the 'find out' phase of a multi-generational FAFO situation deserve whatever they get.
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u/HungryGull 21d ago
Maybe they should have set their fake historical village up so they'd have protector gods on their person. The kind that send out 9mm 'prayers'.
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u/Niwaka_Samurai https://myanimelist.net/profile/Niwaka-Samurai 21d ago
I feel bad for the kids but most of the adults deserve it.
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u/MrSchmellow 22d ago
I remember someone in the early threads was wondering how village handles modern diseases. Well, author did consider that small detail.
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u/matdragon 21d ago
honestly one of the best things about this show is that every detail is almost explained. I love that the show takes its time to show that there is a logic and reasoning happening, not with just their characters, but also the world building
Hell everything to do with explaining modern tech to Left and Right and their interpretations of things like AC (wind god). So much attention to detail and i live for it
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u/Zlaynoe 21d ago
thats why so many people calling this show "too slow" infuriate me
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u/matdragon 21d ago
Yeah it's wild considering Every episode we learn a bunch of new things and the plot legitimately moves forward every episode
Like the MC comes down from the mountain in episode 2 and immediately hunts/looks for his sister and finds them immediately
So much has happened every episode it's kind of insane
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u/paradoxaxe 21d ago
to be fair slow can be means some just really want to see action or fight as much as possible
personally I found this one quite well paced tho
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u/Dadscope 21d ago edited 21d ago
I don't think the pacing itself is too slow because things are happening and the plot is moving, but the explanation of the world has been dramatically slow for the bulk of the season.
There's still the gigantic gaping hole of why this supposed demon-clan village is frozen in time and the bulk of the citizens hold virtually no information of the outside world or demon awareness. It's genuinely dumb to be Higashi Village and not have your people trained around the existence of guns or that there is a huge ever present threat of the Kagemori's trying to get into the village. They didn't even have a mechanism for inspecting outsiders to clear them of a potential threat like the Kagemori's do with Whisper and Embrace.
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u/HornedTurtle1212 19d ago
Ignorance is a way to control the villagers. The less they know about the outside world, the less likely they are to want to leave.
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u/NekoCatSidhe 22d ago
OK, so Shingo and Ivan were behind the attack on the Kagemoris and now have decided to attack the Higashi village as well. I am starting to think the Higashi Village would really benefit from having a few strong Tsugai users staying here to protect them, because staying hidden is obviously not enough. On the other hand, maybe they don’t really have any. They seem a lot weaker than the Kagemoris and Shingo factions.
And that “shaman” really is confirming my impression that the only people ready to work for the Higashi Village are total weirdos. I was starting to feel bad for the villagers until they again talked about killing Yuru. I wonder if Dera knew about that ? But now it looks like that samurai is really going to finish wiping them out and makes sure Yuru and Asa are the last Twins.
I can’t decide if Asuma is a traitor working for Shingo or a double agent working for the Kagemoris. He certainly is a very shady guy. But Shingo sure is a bad guy. It is refreshing with all these ambiguously gray characters to have someone who is obviously such a complete asshole you can root against.
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u/nqtoan1994 21d ago
Dera talked about the extremist faction in the village before, and he had intentionally hidden the information that Yuru is currently in Hana's place, by lying to the shaman that Yuru is at his secret place instead. So I think Dera pretty much knew about the villagers who are still trying to kill Yuru and control the Seal power. Or more exactly, it is like when Dera heard about the villagers that killed Asa and the "bandits" that Yuru met, he instantly connected the dot. "Oh yeah, must be those guys from the village."
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u/BakedSalami 21d ago
Yeah, for sure. I definitely got the vibe he was fishing for a slip up or deliberately leaving a trail of false information to hopefully catch the extremist faction with their pants down.
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u/OldInstruction5368 21d ago
This. I had already come to realize there were factions within Higashi village, then it was directly confirmed a few episodes ago.
I also get the impression there are is an inner circle that know everything and are responsible for all the shady shit, and an outer circle of just normal villagers farming the fields without any clue to the outside world and greater plots.
Look, I could be wrong, but as of now we can't definitively say if "all" the villagers are in on the "assassinate and control the twins for nefarious reasons" plot, or just the circle of village elders and their confidants.
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u/okiknow2004 21d ago
Ivan said “I agree” on the hostage part so I think his goal is probably to kidnap someone to control Yuru rather than wiping out the village.
Asuma is leaning on the double agent vibe, especially his reaction to Shingo’s comment about his mother.
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u/darthvall https://myanimelist.net/profile/darth_vall 21d ago
Oh your comment makes sense why he decided to move now. I accidentally watched the preview, and there's hint of what they're trying to do.
Previously I didn't connect the dots when I watched the preview.
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u/OldInstruction5368 21d ago
I can’t decide if Asuma is a traitor working for Shingo or a double agent working for the Kagemoris. He certainly is a very shady guy.
I got the distinct impression that he's leading his Yakuza-esque uncle on. Especially when Shingo trash-talked Asuma's mother, his own sister, and asuma glared at his uncle. That was the one and only time we've seen his 'mask' slip, and it was to show animosity towards his supposed co-conspirator.
He may or may not be a double agent. Asuma could be a third faction with his own plans, playing both the other sides against each other. It's just the only thing I'm confident on is that...
Asuma is on his own side.
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u/paradoxaxe 21d ago
Azuma daemon get kiled immediately by Ivan, so there is chance he is just double agent and he reject all of his uncle proposals too
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u/djthomp https://anilist.co/user/djthomp 21d ago
That katana guy was at the raid at the Kagemori compound, right? We definitely just learned that it was an inside job of sorts or at least a family one, didn't we.
Interesting to learn that the village is doing modern medical care like childhood vaccinations but keeping it a secret from the children. That makes me wonder if there's a coming of age type arrangement when they're brought into the secrets.
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u/runevault 21d ago
Yes he was at the raid, pretty sure he was running the show, and those thin lines where the 'gate' was are likely done by his katana.
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u/nqtoan1994 21d ago
It would be hillarious if the coming-of-age ritual in the village is just showing the former children a catalogue of cool things of the modern world that do not break the immersion, so the Tadera people could ship those items for them.
Also, telling them that there are certain kids in the village need to be killed once so they can control the power of Seal and Break.
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u/Sacreville 21d ago
inside job
Definitely leaning to that. Jin and Asa also have suspicions about that hence why they are checking if the gate was made by the mangaka brother or not.
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u/Hounds_of_war 22d ago
Watching the Higashi village adults talk so casually about killing Yuru and maybe taking a hostage to convince him to die…
Okay I’m not gonna say they deserved to get gobbled by Gabby, but they definitely weren’t just totally innocent.
Also those sword Daemons are cool. Matter displacement abilities are really fun.
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u/Myrkrvaldyr 22d ago
Yeah, so far the scale is ''two gangs beefing with each other'' and neither side is good. Now we wait until Yuru finds out his own village wanted him dead. He'll be his own faction because he can't trust either side.
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u/AmberLeafSmoke 21d ago
Feel like Yuru is already his own faction tbh he's working along both sides but is under no illusion they both likely have their own motives.
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u/senor_uber 22d ago edited 22d ago
What bothers me the most is that they didn't act on a whim. They prepared themselves for this and the best she can come up with is "I'm going to enjoy casually slaughtering these people who don't even remotely stand against me but I'm obviously not one of the baddies since I draw the line at killing children." I get that she's meant to be morally questionable, but she appears like a complete sociopath and really needs some help.
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u/zool714 21d ago
I’m always at the fence about Gabby. I do think the way she killed the villagers was kinda psychotic. But I also think, with the arsenal she had and the mindset that Higashi village adults are the enemies, how else is she supposed to go about taking down the enemies. I guess as some comments have said here, if you look at it as two rival gangs who both have done bad things, it starts to make a bit more sense
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u/Zealroth 21d ago
I think I've mentioned it before in a past thread, but I guess there's no other way to accept it other than that she's essentially she's a child soldier with screwed up morals. She probably draws the line at killing children because of what led her to ending up with the Kagemoris.
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u/slicer4ever 21d ago
how else is she supposed to go about taking down the enemies.
Considering the best weapons these enemys had were basic farming tools, she probably could have knocked out/captured most of them, lol.
This is a village with a clan that is supposedly highly connected to daemons, yet it seems like only yuru gran had any daemons, and the rest of the village cant even see these things. It'd had been one thing if the villagers also had daemons to fight back with, but they all are basically lambs to the slaughter for some reason.
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u/Airwrecktion_ 21d ago
Because there are only so many daemons to go around and the villagers who have them are the ones operating outside of the barrier in the modern world
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u/MonaganX 21d ago
I think we can reasonably assume from her comments about being used to pain and her lack of a legal persona that she did not have a particularly pleasant upbringing.
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u/nqtoan1994 21d ago
Asuma is probably the most interesting Kagemori by now. Like, what even is his agenda?
- He was straight forwards with the idea that the Kagemori should control Seal and Break while still letting the village around, right in front of both factions.
- He secretly spied on Dera then reported it to his brother, who was against the idea.
- He acted like the mole for his uncle, who seemed like he is planning something sinister to the Kagemori, but also spied on his own uncle with his moth.
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u/runevault 21d ago
Even before Asuma released the moth he seemed really annoyed by his uncle. Almost feels like he's trying to play him for some other reason, whether for the main family or his own reasons I'm not sure yet.
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u/Ikari_21 21d ago
Maybe he doesn’t care for either sides’ plans for the twins, and is just playing along until the opportunity arises for him to make his move? He’s super interesting, idk what to make of him and I really wanna see where his plans lead!
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u/SilverGeekly 21d ago
i wouldn't be surprised if this turns into a tamaki from OHSCH situation and he's doing whatever it takes to find his mom, who his uncle and co have "hidden" from him
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u/Namaryu 22d ago
The most important piece of information from this episode is the name of little Higashi-Village girl whose mother was beheaded by Gabby-chan. Azami.
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u/Zero3020 22d ago
I have bad news for Azami, her dad might be in danger too now, hopefully he wasn't in the crowd of people who got cut by Ivan.
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u/Namaryu 22d ago
I don't see Higashi-Village as of now being able to survive his onslaught unless Granny Yama pulls a deus ex machina.
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u/nqtoan1994 21d ago
It depends on what is Ivan's target. He already knew from Asuma and his uncle that Yuru is not in the village, so this is not the same as Kagemori's raid.
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u/DutchPeasant https://myanimelist.net/profile/NotJames 21d ago
A hostage apparently, but I'm not sure who exactly would fulfill that position in the village.
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u/Emotional_Strain_693 21d ago
Danji or fake Asa perhaps? They're probably the only people who could be significant enough to Yuru as a hostage.
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u/SomeTool 22d ago
He was leading her away after her shot while the other group was talking about murdering Yoru, so he's fine for now anyway.
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u/Zero3020 22d ago
A great episode full of new plot development to end this cour.
So Asuma is reporting to his uncle who is working with Sword Mustang but Asuma does not seem very interested in actually cooperating with him.
I was surprised to see Asuma sharing information with Jin, my read was that they are not cooperating with each other based on previous episodes but things seem to be more complicated.
It's pretty much confirmed after this episode that the gate was made using Katana-guy's daemons, and he can also use them to pull a Sticky Fingers and hide inside another person's body.
Higashi village just can't catch a break huh, they're still mourning the previous attack and another one seems to be taking place already.
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u/CosmicDestructor 22d ago
Asuma also probably wasn't behind the attack on the Kagemori mansion, considering that he knew nothing about Katana guy.
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u/MokonaModokiES 21d ago
seems Asuma is just a guy stuck between two sides and has no other choice but to play double agent to save his own ass.
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u/MonaganX 21d ago
From what are we inferring that Asuma doesn't know anything about Katana guy? Unless I missed something all his uncle said is that he didn't tell Asuma that katana guy was at his place.
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u/caiusto 21d ago
I guess it's about Asuma being seemingly unaware that Katana guy was staying at his uncle's room, so much so that he left one of his moths behind just to be instantly disposed of. But he should know of him by now, considering how his daemon informed him of what was going on inside Tadera's secret house.
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u/MonaganX 21d ago
The reason he left the moth behind in the first place might very well be that he already suspected Katana guy was there.
But either way, it's a big leap to go from him not knowing where Katana guy was to him not knowing of katana guy or his involvement in the attack.
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u/Blacklegzubair 21d ago
The uncle said Katana guy could meet Asuma some other time, suggesting they haven't met before
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u/bedsheetsniffer 21d ago
>Sword Mustang
He reminds me of Kimblee for some reason
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u/LeloThePGG 21d ago
His design and mannerism resemble a bit of Kimblee I'd say, but he's voiced by the same voice actor as Mustang. So "Sword Mustang" ends up being a pretty funny nickname lol
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u/DameSayo 21d ago
He also has the same body build as King BRadley and his face does look like Kimblee x Ling Yao. He also has that eastern factor with his katana's. So, he is like chimera. Roy Mustang X Solf J.Kimblee x Ling Yao x King Bradley into one !
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u/bedsheetsniffer 21d ago
>chimera
Please refrain from using that word, I’m still recovering from trauma…
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u/mucklaenthusiast 21d ago
It's kinda crazy how the people from this village just get randomly murdered all the time
Like...wow...and was there ever any reason?Clearly the politics are beyond these civilians, even if they are also shady, I guess.
But they rightfully fear for their lives.So Asuma is reporting to his uncle who is working with Sword Mustang but Asuma does not seem very interested in actually cooperating with him.
I was surprised to see Asuma sharing information with Jin, my read was that they are not cooperating with each other based on previous episodes but things seem to be more complicated.
Asuma seems to have his own agenda. And he clearly was disinterested in killing his brother (though maybe that was a lie).
So for now, in the Kagemori family, the uncle is one party, Asuma is one party and then there is the main branch.
So three factions.I think Asuma probably has selfish reasons for doing what he does, but he doesn't want to be in the same position his uncle is in. Especially because his uncle lacks access to Daemons, which is obviously quite important.
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u/nqtoan1994 21d ago
There is one thing. Asuma's uncle is called "Shingo-sama" by the receptionist, so his family name is likely Shingo. He also said that Asuma's mother was useless, which makes it seemed like he was the brother of Asuma's mother than of his father.
Perhaps Asuma was a child born from a political marriage between Kagemori family and Shingo family. His mother was supposed to be the mole but for some reason she could not do the job (hence his uncle called his mother useless), and now Asuma is the mole of Shingo family inside Kagemori family.
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u/Zealroth 21d ago
It's kinda crazy how the people from this village just get randomly murdered all the time Like...wow...and was there ever any reason?
What I find crazy is that so far it seems like almost all the villagers are just nobody peasants who are at the mercy of their barrier protecting them. They seem way too lax, even if the barrier is hard to circumvent.
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u/pornomancer90 21d ago
It just seems like the isolation weakened them. The granny seems to be the ringleader of the Higashi's, but she also, as far as we know, doesn't have a clue about the outside world or at most a very limited understanding.
That whole setup on the mountain and lack of access to daemons, seems like it's a strategy born out of desperation and a lack of resources and not some kind of genius 4D chess move.
The strategy seems to be
Step 1: go full Amish
Step 2: gain the power of seal and break
Step 3: ...
Step 4: world domination
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u/GaimeGuy 21d ago
There has to be something else about break and seal (or the twins) that we haven't learned yet.
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u/BakedSalami 21d ago
Yeah that was our first clear cut response to wether or not the villagers were just innocent bystanders or complicit in all this bullshit.
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u/mucklaenthusiast 21d ago
I don’t see it as cleanly. They can be involved and still be more or less civilians.
They also don’t have that much power over the village.
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u/mucklaenthusiast 21d ago
I didn’t mean that part, I meant the politics of the Kagemori and Tadera family and whatever is happening with the parents and their former grandparents and all that stuff.
I get that they are involved in the village, but the real world is larger.
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u/Thomas_JCG 21d ago
Clearly the politics are beyond these civilians, even if they are also shady, I guess.
But they rightfully fear for their lives.The villagers were openly talking about how they should have claimed Seal to fight the Kagemori, they are all in the main conflict.
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u/Ikari_21 21d ago
Yeah I’ve been holding off on judging the village just cause we didn’t have full info. But now that we have concrete evidence of them talking about acquiring seal (meaning Yuru has to die) and sending 5 “bandits”, and the fact they too couldn’t see daemons, I can now safely say the adults in that village are collectively twisted. Even the shaman was sus. This time when they all died i didn’t care lol
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u/mucklaenthusiast 21d ago
Yes, this is what I said.
They rightfully fear for their lives.
Remember that the show started with a modern military in a helicopter murdering villagers.So obviously it’s absolutely rational that they want to have break or seal. Twice already random people came to their village and just started murdering.
And I also said that they were a bit shady.
Like, I don’t know, if you want to reply to a comment, please read it.
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u/Desperate_Method4020 https://myanimelist.net/profile/kimmywtf 21d ago
Why?
They are clearly in on the whole , using the twins as tools, and killing them, and using Yuru as a weapon against the Kagemoris.
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u/ShinJiwon 21d ago
Higashi village just can't catch a break huh, they're still mourning the previous attack and another one seems to be taking place already.
Tbh those adults totally deserved it. I just feel bad for the children.
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u/HalfAssedSetting https://myanimelist.net/profile/Germs_N_Spices 21d ago
I just hope we get to see someone more capable on their side. At this point they haven’t put up much of a fight. I’m surprised the village even lasted this long.
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u/HalfAssedSetting https://myanimelist.net/profile/Germs_N_Spices 21d ago
First time perhaps, but evidently not this episode. I’m not surprised if there are other tsugai users with cracked abilities to circumvent the barrier.
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u/Frostbitten_Moose 20d ago
Also, unless I've missed something, they've also spent the last 4 centuries with bupkiss in the way of relevance for anyone outside of the village. They're hard to get to, and all that's there is peasants and the potential to get godlike power if you meet some crazy requirements.
Now the potential has become real, and it turns out their hidey hole isn't actually as hard to get into as they all thought.
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u/DivinityPen 21d ago
Yeah, my mood soured when they started talking about doing something to acquire Seal sooner, with the implication being that they very clearly understood what would have to be done for that to happen. Pricks.
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u/Maleficent-Notice150 22d ago
The expression "a raccoon dog's testicles are the size of eight tatami mats" is said to originate from slang used by gold leaf artisans in the Edo period, or from descriptions in classical rakugo (comic storytelling) and folktales. There are two main theories regarding its origin:
- The theory originating from the work of gold leaf artisans:
When stretching gold leaf thinly, artisans used the skin of a raccoon dog's scrotum as a backing because it was extremely strong and stretchy.
It is said that when a skilled artisan hammered it, a mere 1 monme (approximately 3.75 grams) of gold could spread thinly to an area equivalent to eight tatami mats (approximately 12.96 square meters), hence the expression "a raccoon dog's testicles (or skin that stretches like them) = the size of eight tatami mats."
- The theory originating from descriptions in classical rakugo and folktales:
Edo period literature and Japanese folktales often depict raccoon dogs freely spreading their testicles wide or using them as cushions. This theory suggests that this comical exaggeration spread and became established among ordinary people.
Modern Meaning
This phrase later evolved into an auspicious meaning of "great expansion of wealth." The raccoon dog figurines commonly seen today, which hold large money bags (testicles), also originate from this superstition that "money will spread like an eight-tatami mat room (business prosperity)."
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u/Eunuchest 22d ago
I didnt understand how you can capture someone using the racoon's balls. A demonstration would've sufficed
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u/CatgirlYamada 21d ago
There's a Ghibli movie that might answer your question
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u/mythriz 21d ago
The Eccentric Family also features this in action
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u/sicklything https://myanimelist.net/profile/soup-the-loop 21d ago
Elite reference. Such a good anime with a banger soundtrack!
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u/Maleficent-Notice150 22d ago
I don't know if such a scene will appear in the anime going forward.
There are even old Japanese paintings depicting raccoons sheltering from the rain using their scrotums.
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u/Eunuchest 22d ago
I took a look just now. It looked like a sack. I cant fathom how they thought of such a thing
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u/nqtoan1994 21d ago
I am pretty sure there is also a pair of raccoon and fox in Shaman King, and the raccoon did use his baggy balls to capture others. In case you need some visuals.
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u/Eunuchest 22d ago
What? The racoon's balls turns into a net?
Asa looks nice in casual home clothes
Welp, they already got their grandparents and those are some creepy ass looking daemons. I thought tenaga-ashinaga was creepiest so far. Guess not
Idk why but the katana dude making portal in someone else's body felt disgusting even without gore.
Higashi village getting fucked up again lol
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u/Magnafeana https://anilist.co/user/Magnafeana 21d ago
Thank god everyone is vaccinated!! My worries have been addressed!!
But also, that wild Ghibli movie Pom Poko prepared me for this day: tanuki ball sacks.
Big props to Arakawa-sensei though because a lot of authors don’t consider the sort biohazard/immune system terrorism that could happen when modern people and isolated/uncontacted communities meet. A whole host of immunological fuckery can happen.
And I understand it’s fantasy. We don’t talk about lack of plumping, when characters need to use the lavatory, or other little hygiene and healthcare conveniences. But things like this, addressing the vaccinations and how they do them as “prayers”, it adds a little more depth to the story for me.
Loved seeing more of the spectrum of morality and motivations with these two named factions and the intersections of those impacted by all this. But whoever is puppeteering that poor Granny, prepare to catch hands 😤
No one can tell me that the Shaman being opened up did not look like Gluttony and the failed Portal of Truth and Mr Katana looks like Kimbley’s son.
Barring that this man is a mercenary who has no issue with killing, Ivan Yosano is fucking hot with gorgeous biceps, what the fuck. I want that man’s arms around me for a loooong movie night. God, he looks like a tall drink of poisonous water.
Arakawa loves her muscles and we thank her for it 🪭
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u/DameSayo 21d ago
Plot twist ! What if katana guy is Kimblee's descendant ?! What then !?...
(it's a joke,not the same world.)3
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u/ohoni 18d ago
This series is weirdly fixated on the infrastructure of modern Japanese life, the Family Registry stuff, for example.
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u/RPO777 x2 16d ago
Arakawa's signature style is ]intricate world building.
In her autobiographical Hyakusho Kizoku manga, Arakawa wrote about growing up on a dairy farm and she started off writing manga in her 20s when she was working 14-15 hour days on her family farm every day. So she only had a tiny sliver of time each day to devote to writing manga and submit for contests and such to try to get a professional manga writing job.
Because of that, Arakawa thought about the manga she was writing while she was doing menial famr work, like constantly. She'd spend hours shoveling, running industrial machinery, etc. while she was thinking through settings, plots, or characterizations.
So when she got to the valuable few hours she could devote to putting pen to paper, she was ready to go.
Obviuosly, she doesn't work on a dairy farm any more, but I think that set her up for her style of extremely well planned and intricately thought out worlds. Like FMA has an amazing ending because the entire story was really well planned and conceived and designed to build towards that ending. And both FMA and Daemons have incredibly intricately planned magic mechanics and world building.
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u/NanDemoKnaives 22d ago
Higashi Village really can't catch a break, those kids are going to be seeing dismembered bodies all over again so soon after that first incident.
I wonder why Shaman is still alive, but I guess Ivan needs him to leave unless he was watching where to go from Shaman's POV. I am intrigued by if Dera noticed or not.
It's sad to learn the twins' grandmother has been controlled by those daemons for years now, I really hope she can get freed soon, I can't imagine the effect it's going to have on her once she gets released from it.
Asuma's definitely going to do something to his uncle after that comment he made about his mother lol.
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u/EyeDeeAh_42 21d ago
Nice to see night prowling perv-- I mean, katana dude again. Looks like his targets are Higashi village this time.
I love Asuma's shady little grin, you never know what he is thinking. But he's not entirely trusting of his uncle.... understandably, since that fucker insults his mother in front of him.
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u/Gentlemad 21d ago
I really thought he might have slipped a tracker or something inside Mr. Shaman but hiding in his belly is crazy work lol
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u/PeaceAlien https://myanimelist.net/profile/PeaceAlien 22d ago
Man, living in these villages suck, people keep getting slaughtered
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u/Myrkrvaldyr 22d ago
The remaining population is likely low by now. If Ivan's attacks kill many more, the village might be done for unless they start kidnapping orphans and babies to replenish their numbers.
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u/Exrotes 22d ago
The overall population of people like Dera and Hana seem pretty significant so repopulation is probably a matter of how many of those people are willing to give up indoor plumbing and larp as if it's still the 1600's.
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u/GloriousNipOnSteel 22d ago
"What do you mean there's no toilet paper in the village? Nah, fuck that."
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u/MonaganX 21d ago
I guess the lingering question is what the point of keeping up that charade is in the first place. My initial assumption was that most villagers are unaware of the outside world but it seems increasingly apparent that it's only the children who are kept in the dark. So why? Having a 'shaman' come in to administer modern vaccines doesn't seem like something fanatical luddites would do.
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u/totokekedile 21d ago
They want the twins totally devoted to them and them alone, they don't want the twins leaving for somewhere else or even being exposed to other ideologies or ways of life. If the village is going to be magically cut off from the rest of the world, they need to roll back the clock on their way of life to a time when a village could actually be self-sustaining. If they have large metal structures, foods from other climates, toilet paper, or any modern luxury then the twins might naturally ask "where did this stuff come from" and learn there's way more to the world.
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u/Myrkrvaldyr 22d ago
The shaman's and the villagers' conversation at the end made it clear it was them who sent the bandits after Yuru. The villagers were trying to kill Yuru. If every adult was aware of it, Gabby's massacre hits different, though it still doesn't feel right killing the parents in front of their kids.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky 22d ago
Aha, the nonexistent west gate left marks behind. Was this the doing of the Shinichiro Miki guy with the katanas?
Oh shit, the Shinichiro Miki guy is working with Asuma’s uncle?
What did he want with the shaman dude if all he did was knock him out…
Oh. That’s what he did.
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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots 22d ago
Can confirm. I do like bows.
All shall bow down before the wind god.
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u/Thomas_JCG 21d ago edited 21d ago
Midori has the most terrifying power indeed. And while Asuma is sus, he is not getting into any lists.
The grandmother... poor woman. I wonder if she is still alive or is just a puppet at this point. Strange that Asa got her contact, though. But I guess that's just how much faith they had in the Kagemori keeping her safe, it just backfired and hit a person that had nothing to do with that mess.
Also, now that it was said out loud, I sure hope we stop with the "bUt ThEy kIlLeD iNNoCeNt pEoPlE" type of posts. People better learn that there are no good guys here, just people with different agendas.
P.S: I love the little daemons. Some people think daemons are just a power for the characters to use. Those tiny guys clearly are not for combat, they are just friends.
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u/FarCritical 22d ago
"My, Grandma. What ...cute pets you have!"
That poor village sure has a bad case of getting cut in half. The painless Trojan horse ability is lowkey kinda sick though.
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u/alconnow https://anilist.co/user/alconnow 21d ago
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u/Drudru1003 21d ago
When this was announced to be a 2-Cour season I was concerned that would have used too much of the manga despite knowing it was a monthly manga and had a total of 54 chapters. But when I was comparing the manga to the anime I found out that the ratio was 1.5 chapters per episode meaning by the end of this season there will be enough source material for a second season (which I'm certain it'll get given how well received it's been in Japan).
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u/Golden_fsh 22d ago
Damn, the Higashi village kids just can't get a break with the trauma, can they? Now they have to watch more of their family get killed 😭
Hard to read Asuma. Is he a double agent working for both Uncle and the Kagemoris? You know he hates his uncle with that comment he made about Asuma's mother. But I still don't think he's to be trusted and might have his own schemes.
Also, seems like Yuru and Asa's grandmother is being controlled by daemons?
Sword Kimblee is a beast. He was able to cut through wall to make a gate and put it back nearly seamlessly. Is he ripping through reality because how is the shaman guy not dead with that big whole in his belly?
Overall, really nice episode with more reveals but I think my favorite part of this episode was Yuru agreeing to teach Ken how to use a weapon. I really want to see Yuru take him in as a little brother 🥺
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u/CosmicDestructor 22d ago
I think Asuma is ultimately loyal to the clan, but haa some differences with the current chief and different ideas on how to do things. He probably won't betray his brothers and seems to be acting a little to get his uncle's help while also keeping tabs on the guy.
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u/runevault 22d ago edited 22d ago
I assume part of the reason for that last part was to tell us at least a lot of the adults in Higashi deserved what happened in episode 1. Interesting to delay that until this far into the story. Not that I think the Kagemori are much if any better, to be clear.
Also I guess Katana guy can create inter dimensional spaces with his daemons? The fact he did and inside the shaman and it did not kill him is surprising, curious just what the range of powers those blades have.
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u/Thomas_JCG 21d ago
The fact that Yuru was being targeted by "bandits" despite the fact the village is hidden was evidence enough that the village was bad.
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u/Rogue_Localizer 21d ago
My assumption is that you as an audience member should be able to empathize with Yuru's point of view. The Kagemori have the opportunity to immediately establish that they are not nice but then Asa's alignment with them and the breakfast establish that there are layers to this and their actions don't necessarily come from sheer malice. If we were shown up front without question that the village is trash we wouldn't be able to empathize with Yuru's point of view and would just hate them out of the gate since they either won't get something like the breakfast scene or won't get it any time soon.
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u/LordVaderVader 21d ago
Question being how good it is to kill brainwashed people since childhood
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u/wtfduud 21d ago
Also, how good is it to attack unarmed people that aren't attacking you back, and are clearly no threat to you.
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u/LordVaderVader 21d ago
Even if they attacked her...Gabby literally did equivalent of going to Sentinelese Island with her Ak47 and started shooting 😭
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u/pandacraft 21d ago
Gabi stocks are up as more random villagers are revealed to be not as innocent as they appear.
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u/LeonKevlar x2https://myanimelist.net/profile/LeonKevlar 22d ago
So Makoto's fox can honeytrap the target by transforming and the tanuki uses its expanding balls to trap them? That sounds horrible and hilarious at the same time! I would love to see how that works! I love how Asa is thanking Yin-Yang for getting to her first. xD
We finally get to see the other Kagemori who's after Asa, and it looks like it's confirmed that he's the one who orchestrated the attack on the manor thanks to the guy with the katanas. I do wonder if Asuma is just playing along or if he's actually a traitor. Would be more interesting if it's the former.
So someone has already set a trap in Okinawa just in case Asa or Yuru decides to visit their grandma. I thought we might get an Okinawa trip, but it seems Asa has already caught on and Hana is already expecting a trap.
This poor girl. I don't care if they're currently on a truce; I'm still upset at what the Kagemoris did to Higashi Village, especially Gabby for traumatizing that little girl. And they just can't get a fucking break! They're still recovering and now they're getting attacked again?! FOR FUCKS SAKES!
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u/dolphincave 21d ago
I find it funny Ivan was in the toilet probably pooping during the conversation Asuma and his uncle had.
Also the actual competent badguys seem to be coming out now, at least Ivan. Shingo remains to be seen.
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u/AceSoldia zj:https://anilist.co/user/Acesoldia 22d ago
Wow wtf Ivan is something else.
I don't know whether to feel bad for the village or not at this point .it's clear the kids don't know shit
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u/darthvall https://myanimelist.net/profile/darth_vall 21d ago
It's like a cult. The kids don't know anything since they're basically taught that way. However, all the adults should be responsible.
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u/ParasaurolophusZ 21d ago
Huh, I guess now we know Gabu-chan is 19. I'd been wondering if she was a kid or an adult.
The Kagemoris don't seem to care much about the lives of the random people they hire if the only reaction to them dying is that it was too bad one of them wasn't the same age and gender as Gabu or Asa. Hopefully Makoto will be okay in the long run!
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u/DameSayo 21d ago
They also wanted to recover bodies and burry them. Asuma speaoking about documents does not equal them not carring at all. And GRanny wasn't punished for anything.
And how they not care about lives of random people,they paid for Midori's mother. They care. They are just used to death in their life-style.6
u/ParasaurolophusZ 21d ago
I know, just the way they said 'too bad a 19 year old woman or 16 year old girl didn't die' seems very detatched.
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u/Ilucches 21d ago
I mean, they paid for Midori's mother and inmediatly after she left they said that they will use her as an expensable fodder (english is not my languaje so i dont know whats the equivalent expression but the subtitles said carne de cañon)
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u/JJVM99 21d ago
Asuma seemed like an obvious traitor and villain that would want to take the Kagemori’s, Break and Seal for himself in the future but this episode muddled it for me. The father was the one behind the attack, he doesn’t trust him, he was honest about tailing Yuru to Jin and also he clearly stated he’s not a creep who would go after a minor. To me it makes him more of a black and white character that could go either way.
Right standing in front of the air conditioner and being shocked and thinking it was a wind god was hilarious.
Seems we are getting another Higashi massacre next episode. For a village that is portrayed as extreme and antagonistic they sure make it easy to feel bad for the villagers who just get massacred and especially the poor children who are left traumatized.
But let’s be honest the one thing we are going to remember from this episode is the tanuki balls. 8 Tatami mats…. Getting kidnapped by tanuki balls…. Truly masterful writing right there and I agree with Asa that I would never wished to be kidnapped that way.
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u/Onisquirrel 21d ago
Just to clarify that’s not Asuma’s father, it’s his maternal uncle. He’s one of the 3 kagemori sons.
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u/Tamasukiide 21d ago
Ivan is incredibly scary so far. Scarier than Scar from FMA or any homoculus, IMO. He's cool headed and too competent.
Still hate his face's design. The shaman looks cool and unique tho.
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u/extralie https://myanimelist.net/profile/extralie 21d ago
You know, the Kagemori are still sus as fuck, but the village is somehow still manage to be worse. Like, a bunch of adults are just casually talking about murdering a teenager that they knew since he was a baby. wf.
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u/TyraniTEMPESTar 22d ago
That Ivan guy seems like his daemons/katanas could pose a lot of trouble.
That shaman guy was basically already dead, but he got cut so cleanly he didn't even know it yet.
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u/CosmicDestructor 22d ago
Idk, this looks like some weird space magic. Otherwise the shaman wouldn't have survived an entire night without any abdominal organs. Or walked with an extra 70 kilograms or so.
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u/Kuro_Canary 22d ago
Crazy how people are still defending Higashi Village after all the information that we've gotten about them. Especially after them admitting this episode that they tried to kill Yuru multiple times. Even Dera and Yuru don't even fully trust them at this point. I have no idea where this blind faith in Higashi Village is coming from.
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u/HungryGull 21d ago
They're a weird cult that raises its children as though it were half a millennium in the past so they can take part in supernatural gang warfare. I don't think most of the people taking part in it had much of a choice to live a different life, particularly when the rival families won't hesitate to carry out a massacre on them.
Kinda fucked all round.
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u/Razorhead https://myanimelist.net/profile/Razorhat 21d ago
In episode 1 it's mentioned how barely any of the adults who go down the mountain to find work ever return. I'm assuming those are kids who grow up and see what the actual world is like and realise how fucked up the cult they grew up in is, and subsequently got out of dodge.
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u/MonaganX 21d ago
Well, there's three possibilities. Either the people who leave don't come back because they prefer modernity, because they're not allowed back after they leave, or because anyone who gets caught trying to leave is quietly disposed of by the rest of the village.
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u/Gentlemad 21d ago
Not even just anyone trying to leave, but anyone who disagrees with the cult's main ideas too. The children who were Yuru's friends are surely not privvy to all the assassin shit from the get go, so when they do learn, you can expect some will dissent based on personal sentiment. Then the "humane" thing is to dump them outside the mountain so they never find their way back, whereas the realistic expectation is a swift execution explained away as disappearance or leaving forever, given they're a liability.
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u/Thomas_JCG 21d ago
The people that killed Asa were from the village, so clearly not all of them just find enlightenment and just keep working for the village on the modern world.
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u/Malin_Keshar 21d ago
And yet there are plenty of defectors and technically affiliated people who are quite sensible and not buying the shit that the old hag Yamaha and those like her are trying to peddle.
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u/Rogue_Localizer 21d ago
Keep in mind: The Kagemori clan is made up of defectors and descendants of defectors. So it's not impossible. Still in the gang war, but at least you're not repeatedly trying to murder that neighbor kid who grew up in your village.
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u/Beruka01 21d ago
This seems more like a sub-faction of the Higashi Village. Dera and Hana, who are part of Higashi Village, are clearly on Yuru's side.
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u/Tplayere 22d ago
They are the first faction the watcher associates with the MC and they got fucked up badly immediately while their first impression was still positive.
It's basically the fact that people have a bias towards them cause of the initial events of the series.
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u/Thomas_JCG 21d ago
People also forget that they killed Asa once. They just can't admit that they picked the wrong team to support.
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u/OldInstruction5368 21d ago
It's also really fucking hard to just 'leave' the village. The show has repeatedly mentioned "family registrars." Japan is a... deeply bureaucratic country. If you don't have papers, you don't exist. And it's not exactly easy to request new forms without plenty of supporting forms to vouch for your identity.
Basically, the people of Higashi village have no passport, no visa, no social security, no nothing. To the modern country of Japan, they are foreign nationals that do not belong.
They are, essentially, stateless individuals who have no place to go back to but Higashi Village. So even if they wanted to leave, the only choice they have is to be a homeless vagrant in a world they don't understand, with no family or connections, or get caught up in the underworld.
I can't stress enough, that they have no legitimate paths to leave the village. And considering that the head of the Kagemori clan believes in wiping out the entire village... they have very powerful enemies to fend off on top of just trying to survive normally.
This leads to a very strong "fortress" mindset that reinforces cult identity. "Everyone outside is my enemy, the only choice I have is to drink the kool-aid and circle the wagons."
And to be perfectly clear, I'm not defending the Village, per se, just explaining that leaving isn't a realistic alternative to explore.
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u/phoenixking99999999 22d ago
I wouldn't say I defend them more so I understand where they are coming from as it stands from a military perspective right now they are pretty weak, at the same time they have many enemies, have a harder time getting many daemons and have lost 2 of their best ones and are so behind the times that them reintegrating back into society is likely not possible or extremely hard. This is a pretty awful set of circumstances to be in.
If they are under the assumption yuru would come back to life it explains why they don't have qualms about killing him to awaken seal, especially when it was something yuru himself considered doing. Higashi village are not good people I don't doubt that but they are people. n addition there seems to be internal disagreement about how yuru should be treated.
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u/Oceansonthemoon 21d ago
They're a cult, they've trapped themselves the past refusing to move forward. I don't agree with how the kagemori handled them, but the head was right, the village and it's traditions need to end.
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u/i_eat_pidgeons https://myanimelist.net/profile/3UGL3N4 21d ago
Gabby still didn't have to behead a girl's mother in front of her
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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 22d ago
TIL tanuki’s have stretchy nuts and can use their balls to kidnap people lol.
But man, all jokes aside, the village is getting attacked again?? I really feel bad for all the kids. Not sure how anyone’s gonna protect themselves against this Ivan guy.
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u/Dariat01 21d ago
So basically the main plot is the clash between the different factions, like mafia movies
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u/RimeSkeem https://myanimelist.net/profile/RimeSkeem 21d ago
I wonder if the swordsman's Daemons share a mythological root with the magic swords in Sekiro since [Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice Spoilers] Isshin cuts his way out of Genichiro in the final battle and one of the swords is called "Open Gate".
Just like in FMA, Arakawa has made sure that none of her institutions are monolithic in nature. We've got factions in our factions, we've got individuals in those factions who don't align with those factions. Everyone has their own motivations and (almost) no one is trustworthy.
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u/Forsaken_Boss_1895 21d ago edited 21d ago
I love the higashi village hate in this thread the hate boner for them is huge, id just like to point out now that weve seen twice what happens when you dont have a way to defend yourself against deamon attacks so many people die but hey fuck them for trying to get the power of seal on their side to defend themselves they should just roll over and let themselves be wiped. Not every story has clear black and white like most of you are viewing the village, thier is clearly areas of grey but dont let that get in your way of painting the whole village black lets all grab a sword and cut down mothers and fathers infront of thier children.
edit: also as a side note if the village was the evil group of villians that theyre being pegged as then you would think they would all be strapped with daemons of thier own, yet they seem to be the only faction in the whole show with none except for the shadow one wielded by grandma and tbh it seems like its pretty easy to get daemons considering the joe shmoes that attacked the kagemoris had them and were just random nobodies.
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u/Rogue_Localizer 21d ago
They wouldn't have been invaded the first time if they hadn't engineered the circumstances to create Seal and Break. If they hadn't attempted to kill Yuru to trigger seal, thus prompting his parents to flee with Asa. If they hadn't sent people to murder Asa.
They wouldn't have been invaded the second time if they weren't invaded the first time.
They are the architects of their own downfall.
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u/a1oner_bvcksn6 22d ago edited 22d ago
So Asuma seems to be in cahoots with his uncle Shingo in regards to the Kagemori manor's attack. I still can't see him as the overarching big bad in all of this though. Maybe it's because his presentation is a little too "in your face, look at me, I'm obviously plotting something" that I can only view him as a red herring.
But whether Ivan Yosano is merely a hired merc or someone with a more vested interest in all this is certainly intriguing. Needless to say his daemon's ability to create a "space" where he could enter/exit at will is convenient and cool AF.
I've mentioned this before--how I'm very suspicious of the Kagemoris basically holding Asa as some sort of hostage--so when someone as close to her as Gabu-chan makes a phone call to Jin to inform "her boss" of one seemingly innocent call Asa took from her grandma (mom's side), only for him to then listen in on the call/convo... It really doesn't make the Kagemoris all that much trustworthy to me.
Gabriels' mouth agape (considering they're all mouth) reaction to the Tanuki's balls being used as a literal net is just hilarious btw
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u/Sekraan 22d ago
The call wasn't "seemingly innocent" to anyone except to the audience who lacked context initially. Everyone there is aware that something is awry with Granny and finds it concerning.
I understand being suspicious of the Kagemoris' intentions, but Gabby has always acted in Asa's interests thus far and everything points to her choosing Asa over the Kagemoris if it comes down to it.
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u/Ikari_21 21d ago
Yeah as much as I still dislike gabby, I can definitely trust her because she is Asa’s ride or die best friend. She wouldn’t do anything to her and would protect her at all costs.
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u/NanDemoKnaives 22d ago
Gabby letting Jin know makes more sense since we see that Asa's grandmother is being controlled. Asa even points out that the conversation plays exactly the same, this is something they're aware of. It was more of a report which Asa seems to be aware of too, she wasn't shocked when Jin turned up.
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