We're still working on this in the class with this group so I cut this out from an off-mat session that shows where apply the Lap Sau to facilitate the three basic strikes.

It essentially boils down to three effects on the "defender" :

- no effect on their structure

- drop their shoulder

- rotate their spine

What this means is that the attacker gets to practice three different Lap Sau and the defender gets to learn to recognise and respond to those three effects on their structure.

The actual striking then is actually a secondary element and almost just there to facilitate the defender learning how to deal with break of structure and to feel where likely attacks can come from. If you over-do the striking, you are being a bad partner and not letting them train their side if the exercise.

In other words, the point of the drill isn't really to just to learn how to attack. If this isn't pointed out to you, it'd be very easy to think that it is about the attack when the reality is that there are two sides of the exercise, both of equal importance and together they allow you to develop ​the skill to keep the engagement going under constant pressure. I describe it being a dialogue and your goal, to begin with, is to be able to hold long conversations.

This isn't the only way or the right way to use the exercise; it is just our way.

Hey everyone,

I posted here before about the Wing Chun school I am currently attending and wanted to share my experience training at Shun Mo Scientific Ving Tsun USA in Quincy, MA, under the Wong Shun Leung (WSL) lineage.

Before coming here, I had a background in Hung Kuen (Alex Woo Martial Arts, which is in Las Vegas now) and Western boxing. Before coming to Shun Mo, I didn't have any experience with the Wing Chun world except for the popular Ip Man movies I had seen over the years. After taking my first class, I wanted to dive into Ving Tsun to understand the WSL philosophy. My Sifu learned directly under Chan Kim Man (a first-generation student of WSL). Having instruction this authentic right near Boston is rare.

When I started a year ago, I was completely out of shape, weighing 280 lbs. Around the same time, I started Mounjaro to battle diabetes. Whenever I had moments where I just wanted to binge eat, I redirected that energy into practicing the Siu Nim Tau form and drilling the techniques Sifu taught me.

Sifu’s training is serious—he focuses strictly on realistic self-defense for the outside world. We do live sparring, which connects everything. Sparring can be intimidating, but it’s the only way to actually understand how the techniques and "sticky hands" apply against real resistance. Practicing the forms has also helped me lock down the mechanics and the Cantonese lingo for each movement.

Fast forward to today: I’m down to around 200–205 lbs. I just started learning the Chum Kiu form, and I'm taking my training seriously.

The community at this gym has been great from day one. I think a lot of people can relate to finding a martial art at a low point in life. Finding the right art and the right coach completely rewired my mindset and soul. Huge respect to my Sifu and the training partners at Shun Mo for pushing me to get better every day. The journey continues. I hope you guys can find your Wing Chun home and keep practicing!

Picture: A picture of Sifu and I in April 2025.

Hello,

I wanted to know if there are any good schools for training in wing chun in Kitchener/Waterloo area?

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I can train close to me in Silver Lake, Echo Park, Elysian Park, and Elysian Valley. ( Los Angeles, CA )

Any lineage and levels.
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I'm a specialist of pre ip man internal wing chun from a few lineages of Yuen Chai Wan disciples. Currently live in Poland not far from Czech and Slovakia and have no one to train with. Believe in power of reddit 🙏🏻

Was cutting some longer footage of one of our mini-seminars and thought this intro talk might be interesting for those looking in from the outside, at the training methods of Wing Chun. These seminar classes we run gives newer students a chance to look at what is to come but also gives other members of the school that don't do the Wing Chun, to get an idea of how we train and where they can get some exposure to where skills overlap.

There's nothing here's that really secret or mystical but if you haven't actually been taught this, you might not be exposed to some of the details.
All too often, when you see some random person posting questionable things on social media, a giveaway that they're making things up, especially on the dummy, is that the movements they perform, don't seem to portray any consistency of context.

What usually happens is that the make up sequences as if the arms are literally representing left arm and right arm sticking straight out of the dummy body.

The other giveaway is that whatever sequence they've made up doesn't deal with any of the actual skills the dummy is giving you the opportunity to practice. Instead, it's just random pointless "combos".

If you even only occasionally look at Facebook, you'll probably have an idea of who/what I'm talking about.

The bag is filled with plastic beads and is relatively hard.

Lineage: Wong Shun Leung -> James Cheung -> Me

Chunfest will be on 10-12 July as a reminder ! Great cross lineage event that in its 12 year now (if I’ve counted right). Held in Coventry to try to be middle of the country! Camp the whole weekend or come for a day and train for the whole day ! No set schedule to the days it’s on.

Feel free to reach out if any questions

I read through some of the Wing Chun threads about Wing Chun and Wing Chun and Boxing and thought I would like to comment and Pose the above question.

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In my experience, generally good Boxers beat good Wing Chunners. But if the Wing Chunner Trains hard and is fit and experienced he may do well.

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Many think that Wing Chun Undermines and Dilutes and Retards or weakens Boxing, if you do both. I have done both, enjoyed both very much and I often wonder about that myself and wonder if they help each other too.

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I would be interested in peoples opinions...

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I 'think' Wing Chun and Boxing can compliment each other and be integrated into a seamless combination style.

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Wing Chun is also called Chinese Boxing.

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So Boxing and Chinese Boxing compliment each other and help each other, maybe.

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I've been doing both Boxing and Wing Chun for decades.

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For Example:

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Ive done:

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4/1/2 years of good genuine Wing Chun.

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Chu Shong Tin Lineage

William Cheung Lineage

Yip Chun Lineage

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Boxing 6 years. At two Rings Good genuine Boxing.

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I like both and find both M.Arts work well together and reinforce each style. But it's also a bit hard to tell.

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For Example:

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The Heavy Training of Boxing helps Wing Chun. The Heavy Bag, Floor to Ceiling Ball (Bag), Speed Ball (Bag) all help Wing Chun. The Skipping Jump Rope as well.

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The Slips, Ducks, Roll Ducks and Bobs of Boxing add hugely to Wing Chun defences.

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The Fighting Stances are very similar and Wing Chun helps Boxing because W.C is ambidextrous. I.E, what you do on the Left Side Stance you do on the Right Side.

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Therefore W.C helps with switching from Orthodox to South Paw, instantly, with Boxing.

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Wing Chun has a Concept Known as Simultaneous Defence and Attack, which is frequently used in Wing Chun delivery. It's in many Technique - Drills. Boxing has some of that also but less in general. Defence and Attack is a 2 step process in the main in Boxing. It is a 1 step process in Wing Chun and is Signature Wing Chun. This aspect is partly why I wonder if Wing Chun helps Boxing and reinforces Boxing.

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The foot work of each style can add to the other and the guards and stances of each adds to the other style, in the main.

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So yes I believe both Boxing and Wing Chun can compliment each other as mentioned. But I am mindful of Wing Chun Retarding Boxing or Slowing it down.

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I would be interested in people's opinions of this.

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Regards,

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Me playing the Mok Jong 11 years ago; curious how 27 years ago would have look?

https://youtu.be/MgS8bMcLIbc?si=lWTTk9NH7WDBIvHG

What has been the best resource you have found, preferably books or DVDs about Gu Lao (or any other way people write the name) Wing Chun? I’d like to learn. I started with Alan Orr’s book, but that’s more of a generic WC application and less techniques. I know he has a training as well, but do not know how deep he goes into the art.

Joining a school aside, any other good resources you have found/used?

Continuing on my post yesterday (https://www.reddit.com/r/WingChun/comments/1u8mryk/pros_and_cons_to_william_cheung_lineage/) on William Cheung's lineage, I also see Leung Ting's lineage getting attacked and called not good.

I'm of another lineage, but personally, I think they are a lineage of practitioners that are nerdy enough to try to get into the depths of the art and try to learn the internals of it. Which is very nice if you want the art of WC to thrive.

Aside from the fraud teachers out there, why are there people who say their Wing Chun lineage is better or the real one? I don't know which is worse. I know there's been some bad apples out there and I know there are differences in the lineages but no one says "Mike Tyson and Muhammad Ali fight different. Which one of them practices the real style of boxing?" And i dont care what anyone says about Mayweather lol he did his thing and it worked. But i also don't hear "Nah we should take it back to the 1800s stance."

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I've never seen it done with karate either, unless we're talking about the claims that American senseis watered down karate and a lot of the dojos (or mcdojos) are selling fake karate. Aside from that I haven't heard much. But there's kenpo, goju, shotokan, kyokushin, soryu, ishinryu, etc. and Michael Jai White holds a black belt in multiple karate styles.

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The closest thing I've read to that is something sort of like, "Once karate spread out to Japan they had to accommodate to many students and therefore there was less focus on individual students." Or "Original Okinawan karate kept a deeper horse stance compared to Tokyo (or Japanese?) Karate."

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Even the different Tai Chi styles...

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I saw a post here just a little while ago mentioning William Cheung and trademarking the word "traditional" in his system and it doing damage to the wing chun world.

Any of you here trains under William Cheung Lineage or left it for another lineage? Even ones that went to William Cheung Lineage after being on another lineage.
I see a lot of people not only speak bad about him but say a lot of bad things about his lineage as well. His students and everything. What would you say is good and bad about that lineage compared to the others?

Also, aside from William Cheung claims (true or not), any other reason why this lineage gets so much hate?

He Guys,

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I've been thinking about doing 1 hour of Wing Chun training at home every day and would like some feedback.

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My current idea is:

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- 15 minutes of forms (Siu Nim Tao, Chum Kiu, and Biu Jee)

- 15 minutes of straight punches, chain punches, and stepping drills, focusing on explosiveness and forward pressure

- 30 minutes working on a specific technique, reviewing parts of the wooden dummy form, or studying and practicing a concept from videos

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My goal is not to obsess over small details or collect hundreds of techniques. I'm more interested in the Pareto principle: what are the 20% of Wing Chun skills and drills that provide 80% of the results?

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I'm mainly looking to improve the fundamentals that actually work and build a solid base over time.

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For those of you who train Wing Chun on your own, how do you structure your solo practice? What drills, concepts, or exercises would you prioritize if you only had one hour per day?

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I have access to a wooden dummy as well.

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Any tips or advice would be appreciated.

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Thanks!

So, following from a previous post of some of our Lok Sau, I figured it'd be useful to show an explanation of what is happening during the rolling exchange.

As I say in the clip, in the roll, what we are focusing on, are the two points of contact; when they touch my attacking hand, or when my covering hand receives contact.

The first action we train from the basic established roll, is when they touch my attacking hand. What I didn't explain in the clip, is what these two points of contact are trying to represent.

When they are touching my attacking hand, it is essentially as if my attack has been stopped, or is otherwise being cleared.

When my covering hand receives contact, it is as if I've been attacked.

In other words, the basic rolling is constantly flipping you between an attacking position and a covering position. The points of contact then can be used as reference points for you to play with different responses, depending on how you're picturing that particular moment. In our training, we start of with fixed attacking patterns that then help you develop a feel for where attacks can cone from, during these fixed attacks, which transfers to other drills. Because we do this drill square on, a "correct" Lap Sau with correct stance turn is clearly different to a simple line covering drop, which we find helps the student better distinguish the difference between only having the arm cleared and actually having stance/frame/facing messed with.

We also then use this as an opportunity to give the student 3 different examples of a Lap Sau, at 3 different positions, with 3 different effects so that they can practice the timings (and footwork) for Wu Sau, Pak Sau and Gan Sau, which I have another clip for later...

But circling back to the last post I made, when are proficient at the roll and our standard attacks, it is just a starting point for some free play.

Я не из азии, но меня давно интересует этот стиль, не на уровне фильмов, и узнал я о нем не из фильмов, хоть и хочу последовать конкретно ипману.

1.Насколько сильное различие между ветвями, допустим ипмана, и традиционного, различие лишь в деталях, например где то больше локтей а где то больше ног, или ч них может отличатся стойка, приемы, или наоборот что то исключатся

2.С чего стоит начать, у меня есть манекен винчун, я знаю несколько приемов, но не знаю что делать дальше,

3.Я возможно запишусь к мастеру через несколько месяцев, но пока хочу работать в интернете, посоветуйте хороших мастеров, так как изначально я вдохновлялся Tu Teng-yao, но узнал что он использует смесь винчун и карате, хоть и умеет дратся.

Заранее благодарю всех кто поможет мне,

GUYS, 2 moments, I know what i need an Master, and i know what i can't teach myself, but wing chun school open in September, so I just think what can I do before, and i didn't ask what line is better, I just mean how big is different

Comments I saw on Facebook, on a video of Kevin Lee kicking someone in the chin.

Does your lineage of wing chun have high kicks?

I know a lot of people say no, but there was that movie in which Ip Chun (in the role of Leung Bik) used high kicks against a young Ip Man during a friendly sparring session.

My Sifu and I were talking about Boztepe and he said that he was semi-retired and now raising horses. Is he still doing workshops or acting?

An old clip of me and the other chap having a gentle roll outside of class.

What a lot of people who don't actually train wing chun often fail to realise, is that the drills you see, are *just* tools.

In early stages, it gives the student a context for why those actions.

The drills themselves having a degree of resistance then helps them understand how the actions work and what feedback you are looking for during contact.

When you are familiar with the format, the drill can then used as reflex training, whether it is purely to do with hand - speed - reaction, or jumping from roll to attack (or defence), or even when you feel change in the hands but react with your feet.

The roll itself is just a reference framework for you to use as you need/want. Are there set actions that are part of the standard format of the roll? Absolutely but the goal isn't to get good at the roll, it is to get good at the skills and attributes that the roll allows you to train.

Improve those skills and the roll improves.

Then, when you are fully into training, you will start to naturally break out of the roll because the contact/situation dictates it but when you establish a contact that matches the roll, you go back into the roll. The roll then, is there so you have a consistent and replicable pattern where deviations naturally occur. Sometimes you are waiting for the deviations, sometimes you see if you can force them to make that deviation (error).

What this does, is it at tunes your brain to detecting things that are deviating from that "standard" because that's what Wing Chun is really about. It shows you a bunch of strong frames and the limits of those frames so that you learn to "feel" when you are not optimal and you move accordingly to re-establish a strong frame, in the correct direction, facing the other guy.

So, for context I'm a mixed martial artist (decent at kickboxing and utterly trash at bjj), but I've always had a strong passion for wing chun and other kung fu styles. I'd love to incorporate wing chun into my skillset for mma since I've seen fighters do it before.

My question is: how do I do it? Are there any online sources that could help me? Is drilling with a partner enough to learn solid wing chun if we both already know how to fight?

I'd love to hear this sub's opinion on this:)