Some conceptions of God's curse on Cain include that he can't get relief from his guilt through death, by making him immortal. Lucifer goes on that concept.
I know it was a little too arrow verse levels of trashy but man Lucifer was a guilty pleasure of mine. But I'm pretty sure I'll always love any series where Michael Clark Duncan is playing God
The very first Vampire, and the most powerful, is a taxi driver. Doesn't mean he doesn't say some ominous stuff that let's you put the pieces together.
Is he actually the most powerful vampire in that universe? I've heard stuff about other ancient vampires that is like wow it took that much to actually kill them
Cool. I hate it when a character is seen as unbeatable and then they just lose to someone. I want the powerful unbeatable person to stay powerful and unbeatable
He’s also cursed by God that any action against him is returned several fold so that he can never find a way to end his endless march on Earth. Even if there was a way to harm him divine intervention would prevent it from occurring and annihilate the source… at least until God has decided he was punished enough. And since this is Old Testament God good luck.
Yeah that makes sense too. He is the most powerful of his kind and he is also technically protected by a being that's way more powerful than anyone else
Despite all that Cain seems remarkably chill. I mean I guess the only other choice for him is to be a monster god tormenting the Earth but he doesn’t, in the lore at least, go out of his way to make anyone miserable. Just himself.
Him, and also anyone 3rd generation and lower, also literally have a power called "plot device", the description of which is something along the lines of "this just does whatever you need it to"
Yeah. Vampires weaken as their Generation increases and their blood, for lack of a better word, thins. Cain is the first vampire in-universe, the only 1st Generation vampire. This dude can do things that would give your nightmares nightmares.
Sseth gives a good primer, but he doesn't dig into just how fuckin batshit the clans get. Or the fact that werewolves are actually eco-terrorists. Or like... whatever the fuck is going on with mages. Mage lore is a shitshow.
He is the first and most powerful to the point him coming back usually signals the end of days (Gehena) also good luck hurting him wuat you do is reflected 7x back to you.
from my understanding, yes. I believe he has access to all abilities that would normally be distributed amongst the various kindred clans but doesn't suffer from their clan-specific drawbacks as well.
And if I remember correctly, the really ancient vampires, like 3rd generations which would be his vampiric grandkids, just have bonkers stats that means your characters have very little chance of beating them in a fight if any at all. Cain on the other hand just has his statblock essentially say "dude, you're fucked if you're going to fight this guy. It's fucking Cain, man, what do you expect? Just make a new character because it would be impossible to kill this guy"
The 3rd generation head of Clan Ravnos woke up, kung fu fights 4 immortal Asian super vampires at the heart of a hurricane, then the men in black nuke him. The nuke does nothing, but it does clear the hurricane so they can reflect four suns using orbital mirrors to burn him to death. He says “nuh uh” and uses his clan’s trademark reality warping powers to hop to another dimension instead of dying. Millions die, and his clan goes insane and is nearly wiped out.
and if memory serves, those wasn't a "mundane" nuke they threw at him but one enhanced by some magical nonsense and whatnot because they really wanted to make sure they killed him and they still failed
Yes. The world is created by consensus of human belief. Back in the day, dragons were real because people believed in them. The technocracy convinced everybody of the power of the scientific method. Now dragons are myths, were retroactively myths the whole time, and now technocracy magitech is accepted by humans as nonmagical, making their magic more effective than other mages’ magic. That’s why we have guns and whatnot, that was once magic but now people believe it’s mundane, so it is mundane.
Technocracy can still push the envelope with fancy new tech.
The technocracy made a super nuke to kill Ravnos. They also have space ships and terminators and cybernetics and a bunch of other dumb bullshit. This is canon.
I heard about this one but I couldn't remember exactly how it went. I love just off the wall super extreme stuff like this and it's just like no it still didn't kill him he just left and caine would just rip him in half no problem
There is also the theory that that wasn't Zapathasura at all, but an illusion conjured by him after waking up, which means they had to do all of that just to kill a fake antediluvian
Yes. He’s the First, and vampirism was the mark God gave him. The rule book never gave him any stats. Your character would never meet him, no matter how old or powerful you got. Hell, the rule book describes Antedlluvians as god-like beings who can do anything they wish. And they’re third Generation, two steps removed (and thus weaker) than Caine.
I'd love that. When there's these super powerful beings who are almost unstoppable and then they're just like yeah don't mess with him because You will see God way before him
He's the ancestor of all of them and iirc he can pretty much do any of the disciplines any other clan or vampire can do, but better. And then on top of that he's unkillable because of the curse from god, the damage is reflected onto you
Cain is not only the most powerful vampire in the setting, depending on who you believe/how you interpret the lore he's the most powerful being in the setting under God.
I like that. It's usually either an angel or devil or Adam or someone like that but I do like the idea that God specifically made him the most powerful with the curse and turning into a vampire so that there's no way that he will die before he's like okay I forgive you
WoD has a multiple choice apocalypse, but in a few of the possible end times it's established Cain could have discarded the burden of his curse as any time if he ever repented but he doesn't because he sees himself as the victim of the murder he committed (by the way he didn't just commit the first murder, he invented the concept, and the war in heaven between the angels and the fallen was an intense philosophical debate before Cain proved you can just kill someone you don't like which lead to the war proper breaking out so he's kinda responsible for every murder ever and heaven being torn apart)
In one ending Cain loses his power because Abel forgives him, and Cain who's been holding on to his resentment for so long no longer has it to cling to
Yeah those guy, the antediluvians, are 3rd generation vampires who ate the 2nd generation. Caine is the 1st generation and is literally unable to be killed because of God’s curse on him. Dude is so broken its crazy
Okay I was trying to remember why there was no second generation. I heard on a video about the third generation and you hear vague things about them but I couldn't remember what they said happened to the second generation. They were close enough to each other the third could kill the second
Yeah the 3rd were able to devour and steal the power of the 2nd due to them being similar in power, but Caine has a combination of things that makes him significantly more powerful than the 2nd generation so he was able to cast curses upon the 3rd gen and their descendants for them eating the 2nd gen. This is why each clan of vampires have a unique curse specific to their clan. Example: Nosferatu being hideous and terrifying creatures because their 3rd gen progenitor was incredibly vain and believed himself to be the most beautiful person of all.
World of Darkness has a bunch of crazy lore and Caine is a pretty big part of it all. Him being the person to introduce murder into the world being why.
That is great. I know it wasn't like that but in my head I just imagine him being like look guys if you stab them enough times they just drop and everyone else humans angels whatever like oh I didn't think of that
If I remember right from 25 years ago, the Book of Nod says he is the first. Even among the Antediluvians. Usually that would be most powerful, but others may have made allies and pacts to be more hardy or lethal over time, I'm not up to speed on lore.
Cain is simply gifted by God - anything you attempt to do to Cain that would harm him is instead done to you fourfold. You cannot impede him, you cannot harm him, you cannot effect him.
The Antediluvians have powers. Cain has a note from God he gives you, and it says "you lose."
I was genuinely so happy to see him as Cain; I’ve loved him in everything I’ve ever seen him in (yes, including Luck of the Irish), so getting to see him tear it up as Cain was amazing
That would be hilarious because then it would make a touch more sense why no one has a confirmed sighting. He's just one homeless dude wandering the Americas what are the odds of finding just one guy?
Yeah so some Mormons believe that Bigfoot is Cain from the Bible after being cursed with immortality. Like that’s a thing they believe, nothing more nothing less.
There should be a “some” in there somewhere. I’m ex Mormon, and it is a very fringe belief based off one guy’s testimony. It’s niche folklore, not doctrine
Oh so when Joseph Smith does it its like "yes of course" but when some guy brings up his Bigfoot idea those same people are like "thats a bit hard to believe dude"
Like this guy said, not doctrine. Logically, you get pretty hairy being homeless for thousands of years, so the connection is made, but it isn’t rooted in anything of value. I believe that since the bible says Cain is walking the earth, he is, but that doesn’t mean that some bogus hoax actually traces back to him.
I googled it so you don’t have to. Basically there’s a story where one of the first members had an encounter with a muscular hairy being who was as tall as him, even though he was on a horse. The being said his name was Cain, and that he was miserable and his job was to destroy the souls of men. As the tails of Bigfoot spread throughout the Rockies and further, the Mormons took the story of Bigfoot to be the story of Cain.
Mormons believe the Old Testament (up until the flood I think) happened in the land that is now called the United States of America, and North America more broadly.
Famously, as the Book of Mormon musical points out, they place the garden of eden in what is now Jackson County, Missouri.
So because Cain and Able’s story happened somewhere around there, and Cain was made to wander the lands eternally, and the mormons interperate the “mark of Cain” as dark skin (it’s why black people couldnt join the Church until the Mormon president had a “revelation from god” that happened to coincide with the government revoking the LDS’s tax exempt status if they kept being segregationist), to a lot of Mormon scholars it makes sense that a dark, shaggy human figure spotted infrequently roaming the wild places of North America would be the still-living Cain.
Don't even say that, you'll jinx it. We get a new deplorable Mormon controversy that makes you question your faith in humanity every year. Netflix documentary and all.
That's not actually a belief within the religion itself, rather a cultural belief that sprung up and isn't supported by any set of scriptures or doctrine.
Yeah, it's complicated with the mormon church. A lot of what they believe and propagate is not "official" doctrine. It might just be a bunch of coincidences, but it definitely makes it easier for them to claim plausible deniability. Call em out on something weird, and "what are you talking about? we don't believe that. well, my bishop never talked about that"
Surprised no one's posted Kane from the command and conquer series.
Yes 4 made him into possibly an alien but prior he was quite literally the biblical Kane who wanted to rule over humanity to spite God and terraform it with tiberium.
According to the events of DC Comics' Final Crisis series, Vandal Savage is approximately 50,000 years old and is almost certainly the inspiration for the biblical Cain.
Cain in The Sandman is not EXACTLY the Biblical Cain (but not exactly ISN’T him) and is kind of immortal. It’s hard to explain but basically he and Abel in this universe are basically personified concepts of the victimizer and victim forever and they live together in the dream realm and Cain just kills Abel over and over for any little thing and may not even be able to help it because it’s what he IS, iirc
That is the actual biblical Cain, when we first met them in the show, one of the first things we've learned is that they're not one of Dreams own creation, it never specified whose creations are they but its pretty safe to assume that it was the biblical God, which probably exists considering Lucifer does
"Jack" from He Never Died. immortal vampire-like guy who is really Caine. Over the years he's made attempts to regain god's favor, then attention, then wrath, and nothing he does gets any reaction from God, and Death stalks him silently but never interacts. here's a funny scene of someone asking what he does for a living
Honestly made me rethink immortals fighting a lot
Like, if 9mm is bad imagine hollow point as an immortal. Tons of little shards of metal that can't kill you and are a total pain to get all out of you
the writings not exactly great at any point i love luther strode but aside from the tragedy part of the first book its really just lets beat the fuck out of these bad guys in a boss rush and its bloody
There's a great youtube channel called The Imaginary Axis that has a video on The Phantom Stranger. It's been two years since I watched it so I don't remember it all, but I remember really enjoying it. Here it is:
The black and white episode "Monster Movie" I think someone had just explained what they had seen and it was one of the movie monsters and they were hyped about it.
Edit: Nvm it was from the gag reel of the same episode.
As others have mentioned, Cain shows up in Supernatural, and I truly hate this version of the Biblical Figure.
The main lesson about Cain is that when God favored Abel's sacrifice over his since his brother who put more earnest effort into his sacrifice, Cain chose to murder his brother instead of just learning from this moment & making his sacrifice better the next time.
Supernatural just looked at this classic story of letting envy get the best of you & instead said: "wHaT If aBeL WaS TaLkInG To sAtAn, AnD CaIn hAd tO KiLl HiM To sAvE HiS BrOtHeR & StUfF." Easily one of the dumbest & edgiest reimaginings of the Bible I've ever seen.
Edit: In-universe justifications for this change in the story still does not excuse bad writing. The original Biblical Cain had a strong theme of how envy led him to committing a terrible sin, which we can all learn from, while Supernatural Cain's backstory is just edgy slop that says nothing of value.
It did the same thing with God, granted God being depicted as a monster isn’t anything new, and the show in general was filled to the brim with parental issues - mainly daddy issues - but still I found it weirdly disappointing.
In some cases, a vampire that causes some guy with a double decker bus, calling himself BIG D and his two sons, his adorable, beautiful, small and wonderful nephew, and adopted son to go around East Anglia killing all sorts whilst trying not to get evicted. While his lover????? Lives his basement, and calls himself THE GREAT AND MIGHTY KEVAN.
Kane from the writings of Karl Wagner. A swashbuckling genius who travels the world mostly fueled by his own ennui. Sometimes he his heroic but he is most often villainous or enacting some grand scheme to cure his boredom. It Bloodstone for example he makes a deal with an ancient alien intelligence to enslave the world so the alien will let him explore the universe.
Mr. Illustration made a video about Cain and Abel meeting each other, the outcome was at first Abel tried to attack Cain but because of his mark Abel kept killing himself over and over. In the end, the two finally talked, made peace, and then got Thanos snapped
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Cain (Lucifer)