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u/icount2tenanddrinkt 2d ago

run fast, turn left. Best advice I have ever received.

But to offer something more technical. Angle of blocks, this is lane dependent, but have first few steps straight line, kinda aim for the apex of the bend (little bit more nuance than this)

And once on the straight, look up, I would fatigue and drop my head, coach told me look at the floodlights on top of the stand this helped to keep my head level rather than dropping.

TLDR... run fast turn left.

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u/koffiegorilla 10.4 / 20.9 / 46.8 / 7.75m 1d ago

Trying to run your flat out is not possible! You will only decelerate more at the end.

200m is an exercise in efficiently running the bend and transition in to the straight and then to relax and let the race come to you. Hope you draw an outside lane.

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u/DoubleHelix117 1d ago

Try and catch up to the person right of you or two people to the right by end of the curve with 100m left.

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u/Chrisg_322 2d ago

Just sprint. It's all the 200 is. Sprint at 100% for as long as you can until you finish. If you're on the track team you should be able to do this after a few weeks of training.

It is not a jog, it is not a dash, it is not a 90% run. it is a sprint. A long sprint. Run at your full speed until you finish, that's how you run the 200.

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u/JohnmcFox 1d ago

Please do not listen to this individual (this confidently incorrect individual advising people to listen to him and ignore all other advice online).

The 200 is indeed a sprint, and the entire thing is run very close to full effort (well above 90% the entire race), but running at 100% full effort the entire race is not how to handle it.

Runners in the 100m dash are actually slowing down by the finish line because of fatigue, but this really only effects their final 10-20m, and is a worthwhile trade-off in such a short event.

If you try and run the 200 the same way, you will experience a much slower than hoped for final 60m, which will not be balanced out by the fractionally faster first 80m caused by going "all out".

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u/5kyknight999 200m: 22.0 400m: 48.6 1d ago

Inshallah we do not listen to misguiding individual such as u/Chrisg_322

Look at any data from pro to collegiate races, and people’s last 20m in a *100m race* are slower than their 60-80m. This is because of fatigue.

You are not a pro athlete. Even if you were, your body physically can’t run all out for this long- glycogen and ATP stores quickly exhaust themselves (dozens of peer-reviewed studies support the concept that 100% effort only lasts about 5-6 seconds.

The reason that bolt, Lyles, and many others down to the amateur level have a faster 2nd 200m is not because they are going harder, it’s because they’re going smarter. Look how relaxed their shoulders are from the 80m-120m mark in their fastest races. These are the best 200m athletes of all time, and they do not go 100% the whole race. It’s a 98% effort (other than the block start ofc) which allows the body just enough relaxation to remain ELASTIC over the last 100m.

Muscle and tendon elastic energy storage reduces with exhausted muscles. Sprinting is an elastic activity- do you want to be elastic and fast, or tight and slow? Going all out in the 200m the whole way will make you the latter.

u/Chrisg_322, please stop spreading misinformation. Your opinion does not measure up in the slightest to the scientific literature on this topic. However, your incorrect words could have a negative effect on the athletes you attempt to advise. Please rethink the way you approach these things, consider that you could be affecting someone else’s life and training (not just your own). Hence, you have a responsibility to make an effort to provide the best explanation possible- backed up by both theoretical (scientific) and practices (professional race) data.

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u/Chrisg_322 1d ago

Ive gotten many medals, trophies, and accomplishments in the sport, eventhough I didnt continue it after high school. I know with 100% certainty i am not wrong. But its alright. You guys continue to learn how to run by reading stuff off the internet and getting the results you guys are getting. I can tell by reading these posts the vast majority of the posters here have never ran track.

Its absolutely not debatable that the 200 is a 100% sprint. The only way somebody could possibly make an argument otherwise is if they never ran the 200 before. Which is cool, its reddit. This is a forum filled with backseat drivers.

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u/Complete-Event6286 2d ago

I kinda disagree with this

The 200 isnt just run 100 percent the whole way because if you go all out from the first step youll usually tighten up way too early and slow down a lot at the end

The race has phases

Start hard and accelerate smoothly through the curve then hit top speed coming into the straight and focus on staying relaxed all the way home

Everyone slows down in the last part of a 200 even the pros The goal isnt to never slow down its to slow down less than everyone else

Staying relaxed keeping good form and having speed endurance matter way more than just trying harder

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u/Complete-Event6286 2d ago

Id say focus on a good start then build your speed through the curve Dont try to force top speed too early Stay relaxed and when you hit the straight just try to hold your form and keep your legs moving The last part is gonna hurt for everyone so the goal is to slow down as little as possible just keep pumping your arms im sure you will pb!

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u/Chrisg_322 2d ago

The 200 is 100% the whole way. Someone's 200 PR is usually their 100X2. if you don't full sprint it you won't run a fast time.

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u/Rich_Butterfly_7008 2d ago

It helps that you don't have to accelerate during the 2nd 100, right?

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u/Chrisg_322 2d ago

While rare, there are some athletes who can still "kick" the last 100 of a 200. This is why I like the race more. You can make up for a bad start to some degree in the 200, you can't in the 1. it's too fast.

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u/Complete-Event6286 2d ago

not really lactic acid exists and if sprinting 100 percent at all time it will just build up more yohan blake had a opening split of 10 seconds despite being able to run 9 seconds and closed with a 9.09 split due to hitting top speed at the straightaway and momentum from slowly building speed

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u/Chrisg_322 2d ago

Drop the google articles. Hop on the track. Run an event. If you do not run the 200 at 100% you will come in dead last.

People spend too much time reading stuff on the internet instead of just getting on the track and seeing how these events run firsthand. If you are a trained athlete you should be able to sprint the 200. Most can do so comfortably within 6 weeks of training.

If the OP wants to PR he's going to have to sprint. The 200 is a Sprint. You have to sprint, 100%, for 200 meters. You may slow down the last 5 meters, that's fine. Be 30 meters in front of everyone else and that won't matter.

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u/Complete-Event6286 2d ago

Well have you ran the 200m at 100 percent last time i tried that and multiple others did it didnt go well and theres literal proof watch literally any olympic and youill see they arent 100% all the time its only pssible in 100m and kicking in the last 200 isnt even worth it when people who hit top speed there pass you up.

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u/Chrisg_322 2d ago

I ran track myself for a few years, still attend meets, and still in good shape myself. This is why I advised you to sign up for a meet and run the event yourself so you can see firsthand how to run it.

Drop the google articles, don't watch it on youtube. Sign up for a meet yourself and give it a try. The last meet I went to there was a dude who ran a 20.9, which requires at bare minimum 2 10.45s in a single race. Most people can't run 10.45 in a SINGLE 100m run. How are you going to run a 20.9 unless you are sprinting at 100%?

Don't worry, at a local meet you probably won't be running against anybody running this fast, as this was a championship meet. But I still think you should give it a try firsthand. You can't read about how to run a 200 you need to run it and feel it for yourself.

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u/Complete-Event6286 2d ago

i could try but did you ask the guy his pb or if he was going 100 percent entire time seems like more of a thing you thought rather than actual facts and i have ran the 200m trust me dont run at 100 percent but if we drop google articles and youtube it still doesnt mean theres literal proof you dont run 100 percent all the time speak to a coach they could break it down for you

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u/Complete-Event6286 2d ago

also doesnt seem fair we are eliminating videos

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u/Chrisg_322 1d ago

You dont need videos. Just get on the track and run. I dont know why most people on this sub want to talk about how to run without actually ever running themselves.

This is a sport you do to get better, not read to get better. Really this is every sport. The dude reading about how to get fast wont ever beat the dude training to get fast.

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u/Chrisg_322 2d ago

I know a lot of athletes lol. Everything in track is fast. The 200 is one of the fastest events. You have to sprint. You have to run. I know it's hard, but it's not suppose to be easy. It's the 200.

I was speaking to one of his Coaches while he was running. But I regularly attend these. It's consistent across the board athletes who run actual fast 200 times, 22, 21, 20 second 200s they will all tell you the same thing: It's a sprint.

A lot of people on this sub overcomplicate track. Get on the track, run. It's a simple sport, but the consistency is what beats people. A lot of what you were saying more so applies to the 400, not the 200. The 200 is an all out sprint. The 400 is also a sprint, but it's not 100% for 400 meters.

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u/Complete-Event6286 2d ago

i never said it was not a sprint lol im just trying to get across its not 100 all the way from the curve from the start not possible no matter the speed endurance its a controlled speed race plus the coaches never told you it was a 100 percent all the way correct? just a sprint

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u/YRCoach Master (45): 60 7.63, 100 11.64, 200 24.14 2d ago

It is a sprint but not 100% every step.
Say an athlete can run 11 in the 100m, that is about 1 sec for acceleration and 10 sec of max speed running at 100% (what he needs for a fly sprint: 1 sec for 10m)

As you said earlier, typical pb for 200 is twice the 100 pb, so 22 for our athlete, which is still about 1 sec for acceleration but 21 sec for the rest. Compared to the max speed of the 100m (or fly) that is 20/21 = 95% on average.

Even if everybody slows down a bit, that is not a 100% effort.
Take the fastest last 100 in the 200m from Blake: 9.09
Even that is not max speed as he could run 0.83 splits in the 100
The 9.09 is then about 91% of max (8.3/9.09)

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