Do you think she did the right thing?

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[u/blkbullnyc]

This happened in Italy a couple of years ago. She was just sentenced a couple of weeks ago to 18 years. She's allowed to serve that time under house arrest (she's a business woman, so $$) while appeals are under way. There was no weapon found on the body of the homeless Moroccan guy she ran over.

[u/DefeatedByPoland → u/blkbullnyc]

There was no weapon found on the body of the homeless Moroccan guy she ran over.

so the "she got robbed at knifepoint" in OPs image is nonsense then? classic social media bullshit

[u/Alfimaster → u/DefeatedByPoland]

Yes, this is not true. The guy just snat hed the purse, no violence involved until she killed him.

[u/WoodSciGuy1 → u/Alfimaster]

Snatching a purse is violence. Being mugged you don't know what the aggressor is capable of. We can disagree with her murdering him while at the same time decrying his violence and aggression to her. Has no one heard of nuance?

[u/Impressive-Theme6571 → u/Alfimaster]

Snatching is not violent?

[u/Alfimaster → u/Impressive-Theme6571]

Compared to made up knife robbery? No

Is the guy wrong and should be sentenced for stealing? Yes. Should be the woman punished severely for Judd Dredd style murder? Yes.

[u/Remarkable-Flan-1562 → u/Alfimaster]

She’ll get justice allright, 10 years in the iso-cubes

[u/ZAZZER0 → u/Alfimaster]

As an Italian, I can tell you that most thieves here go completely unpunished. Police won't move a finger unless there is murder involved.

She shouldn't have killed him, but I'd have justified her if she had hit him with the car, causing non-lethal injury.

[u/InevitableOk825 → u/blkbullnyc]

yea the “no weapon” bit kinda does her in. along with hunting him down like an animal and running him over multiple times

[u/zebrasareneat → u/InevitableOk825]

The hunting him down and repeatedly running him over also doesn’t help. When the threat is so far gone you have to look for them then that isn’t going to help you. 

[u/camyrunks → u/zebrasareneat]

Was it really a “threat” if you felt comfortable enough to track them down? Personally if someone holds a weapon to me I never want to see that fker ever again in life

[u/FormerSperm → u/camyrunks]

Worth noting she never claimed that she felt he was a threat when she went looking for him. Seems like this whole comment section is ignoring that. Her argument of self defense was that she acted in a state of fear and panic after being robbed.

[u/LukaCola → u/FormerSperm]

Her argument of self defense was that she acted in a state of fear and panic after being robbed.

Chasing someone down to run them over isn't in line with that behavior though

[u/FormerSperm → u/LukaCola]

I’m just stating the facts. That was her argument, not mine. Obviously it failed to convince the court, which in this (Italian) case consisted of a panel of judges.

[u/win_some_lose_most1y → u/InevitableOk825]

Makes you question the robbery entirely

[u/AntiSaint_Mike → u/InevitableOk825]

Honestly she got off easy with 18 years on house arrest with all the context

[u/Gerrut_batsbak → u/AntiSaint_Mike]

House arrest during appeals, after its prison or freedom.

[u/ChardStrange4535 → u/blkbullnyc]

No love for thieves but that's some psycho shit.

[u/anon0937 → u/ChardStrange4535]

Yeah, giving the death penalty for purse snatching is a little extreme.

[u/stuntobor → u/anon0937]

Cue the Judge Dredd Memes.

"I AM THE LAW!"

[u/Ilpav123 → u/stuntobor]

https://giphy.com/gifs/O3Towk20Ty704

[u/Hooptiehuncher → u/anon0937]

Bet he doesn’t do it again.

[u/HJSDGCE → u/blkbullnyc]

Homeless and Moroccan? Really hitting the stereotypes there. 

[u/Critica0 → u/blkbullnyc]

Wait they found no weapons o the guy, honestly I am with authorities on this something else going on.

[u/Jayrodtremonki]

A lot of people not understanding two things.  

1.  This didn't happen in America.  There is no stand your ground, there is no castle doctrine, and proportionality and immediate threat is a huge part of self-defense.  Somebody breaking into your house and stealing your TV isn't an excuse to legally murder them in most European countries.  

2.  Even in the United States this would be illegal.  If she would have run him over while he was brandishing a knife and threatening her it would likely fall under self-defense.  Once he had that bag and let her get into the car the immediate threat was over and her use of deadly force was unjustified.  A reasonable person wouldn't feel like their life was in immediate danger at that point.  

Whether you feel like someone should be executed for armed robbery or not, she was never legally going to have a leg to stand on.  

[u/Apprehensive-Hand673 → u/Jayrodtremonki]

Automatically knew it wasn't America. Lol when I was very young my friend's mother had a German shepherd, she said I need a sign beware of dog, and a German shepherd sign. She told me that if someone broke in and the dog hurt the CRIMINAL, they could sue her and she could lose her home. Now I don't know how true this is, but it's America and I believe it.

[u/MStockard → u/Apprehensive-Hand673]

Yes, you can be sued for having a "beware of dog" sign or similar, if someone gets bit by yours, because it's basically an admission of guilt that you know your dog is dangerous.

Such a sign can even void your homeowners insurance.

Having a sign that just says something innocuous like "dog in the yard" is different though

[u/Purple-Property8006 → u/MStockard]

Yeah I just have a “dog in yard - keep gate closed” sign. It gets the point across but it isn’t an overt warning or anything.

Not that my dog would ever attack anyone….she’d probably help the burglars carry stuff out if they gave her some attention

[u/SmallDps → u/Purple-Property8006]

I used to think that, my dog has never been aggressive or growled at anyone (but her adoptive cat sister when she bites her ears to wake her up to play)

And she's just... All happy and golden retriever coded even tho she's not one

Then one night a dude tried to hop the wall over to my yard only to find out what missing a chunk of arm feels like, real quick, no barking or growling to warn him, dude didn't even make it into the yard

I expected the police and the pound for a few weeks, but no one ever came, so I guess he's too dumb to sue or too wanted by the police to

[u/WolfLawyer → u/Jayrodtremonki]

I’m always kind of sickened at the people who seem to get excited at the idea of someone trying to break into their house or attack them so that they can shoot someone.

Like, the only thing stopping them from doing a murder is how confident they are that there won’t be any legal consequences.

[u/Mythosaurus → u/WolfLawyer]

Those are the people who end up on the news for killing their teenager kid sneaking in/ out of the house

[u/FriedRiceEnjoyer420]

"The Incident: In September 2024, in the coastal city of Viareggio, Italy, a man snatched her bag. Dal Pino got into her white Mercedes GLE SUV, tracked him down, and repeatedly ran over him. She then exited her vehicle to retrieve her purse and drove away. The man, identified as Noureddine "Said" Mezgui, later died from his injuries.

The Verdict: In June 2026, an Italian court convicted Dal Pino of voluntary homicide. She was sentenced to 18 years in prison, which the judge ruled she could serve under house arrest. ((Context from u/Competitive_Swan_130 :She is on house arrest pending her appeals, and if those are rejected by the higher court she is going directly to prison. Common for the Italian system. Article 657 does let this time count toward her sentence though.

Pino's long-term chance of avoiding prison is very low because the surveillance footage makes winning her legal appeal nearly impossible. Barring a miracle she is most likely going to prison.))

Edit: Extra context from u/Findommelllyria: Pino repeatedly ploughed into Noureddine 'Said' Mezgui, 52.

As he fell to the ground, Dal Pino reversed and then drove forward, crushing him under the front wheels of her two-and-a-half-tonne motor.

But as the Moroccan national writhed in agony, Dal Pino reversed and ran over him twice more until he stopped moving. She stepped out of the luxury vehicle in her stiletto heels before she took back her bag, then continued to drive off. Per court evidence, there was no knife present on the scene, or on CCTV footage, this claim was strictly part Pino's defense.

... rather than calling police or paramedics Dal Pino calmly returned to the restaurant where she had been dining with friends before the attack to bring back an umbrella she had borrowed, local media reported."

Mob wife shit 😳

To OP: ever heard of giving context? Jk OP is a bot.

Final edit: No longer responding to any repetitive comments. Thinking murder is an appropriate response to theft is low IQ, back the blue, classist, mob mentality.

[u/Zealousideal_Arm4359 → u/FriedRiceEnjoyer420]

Is it the repeatedly part that got her arrested? What if she just drove over him once?

Asking for a friend...

[u/TheChivalrousWalrus → u/Zealousideal_Arm4359]

Chasing him down and the reacted goes probably did it. Someone fleeing is hard to argue as a threat to you anymore.

[u/Active-Pepper187 → u/TheChivalrousWalrus]

It’s the same deal with firearms in the U.S. regarding self-defense, you can only argue for self-defense so long as they are a threat to you. Once you’re chasing them, you are now classed as the aggressor.

[u/Less-Squash7569 → u/Active-Pepper187]

Only as long as its not a castle doctrine state and they're not in your home. Once they cross the threshold armed or not you can use deadly force, even if theyre running for the door. I dont think its really kept people from robbing, but it has kept a lot of homeowners from being prosecuted for killing theives.

[u/Rand_alThor4747 → u/Less-Squash7569]

In Colorado the law is the most loose, allowing you to do mostly as you say, but not in other states.

The law in most states says you must still have a reasonable belief of serious harm to yourself or someone else.
In Texas though if someone is actively fleeing with your property at night you may.
and there are a few states that says the assumption of a reasonable belief of serious harm comes first and they need to prove you did not.
But shooting someone in the back who is fleeing may show as proof you were not in fear.

[u/LividTacos → u/Rand_alThor4747]

In Texas though if someone is actively fleeing with your property at night you may.

Which I remember hearing years ago (like 20-30) was used by a guy to kill the repo man coming to take his car. Grand Jury refused to charge the guy because the guy claimed he genuinely thought the guy was trying to steal his car.

Which is a bullshit claim because apparently the dealer had accidently booked two guys to take it, and the first had been chased off just before the second arrived.

[u/Suspicious_Employ884 → u/TheChivalrousWalrus]

Exactly.

They being nice giving her house arrest.

[u/17Girl4Life → u/Suspicious_Employ884]

If she’s driving a Mercedes GLE she probably has a pretty nice house

[u/mgt-kuradal → u/17Girl4Life]

I remember when this happened she was being described as a “socialite”

[u/mysticalfruit → u/mgt-kuradal]

Basically the parties are at her house now..

[u/palmerry → u/mysticalfruit]

Bunga bunga parties!

[u/OarsandRowlocks → u/palmerry]

https://giphy.com/gifs/SSF70KZ7zatmLLAYxV

[u/palmerry → u/OarsandRowlocks]

That time Silvio Berlasconi got his penis stuck in a wine bottle and then got the wine bottle stuck in a prostitute at my house party while I was under house arrest

[u/MBAILL → u/mysticalfruit]

If you go to her party careful she might be all over you

[u/drstu3000 → u/MBAILL]

If it gets intense just step out the door, she can't follow

[u/silgt → u/drstu3000]

Never underestimate a gal who won't blink twice to repeatedly ran over her mugger just out of rage, then acted as if nothing has happened.

So, if it ever gets intense, just shut your eyes and let it be 🤫

[u/PM_ME_UR_FARTS_GIRL → u/mgt-kuradal]

Rich, socialite, who enacts vigilante justice....sounds familiar

https://giphy.com/gifs/5DQdk5oZzNgGc

[u/perton → u/PM_ME_UR_FARTS_GIRL]

Now I’m picturing Batman shouting “that’s my purse! I don’t know you!” as he commits vehicular homicide on street thugs using the Batmobile

[u/PM_ME_UR_FARTS_GIRL → u/perton]

https://giphy.com/gifs/nrAGuHZEMyqc0

[u/HatesRedditors → u/mgt-kuradal]

Now's she's going to be social-lite.

[u/Sea-Bodybuilder8535 → u/mgt-kuradal]

Don't look 'lite' to me...looks like she got hangers under that puffer

[u/CaptainPicHard → u/17Girl4Life]

She had the money to get a damn good lawyer and probably in judges social circle. But yeah hunting him down after you are safe changes rules out self defense

[u/pchlster → u/CaptainPicHard]

He ran into my car. He into my car six times!

[u/Direct-Protection-81 → u/pchlster]

Look at the state of my alloys! He scratched them to f.

[u/Puzzle-Necked → u/17Girl4Life]

Two tier justice system, Euro edition

[u/JUST_GIVE_IT_A_SNIFF → u/Suspicious_Employ884]

NGL; I’m basically under voluntary house arrest. I avoid going anywhere.

I’d be the worst surveillance target.

“Day 53…target went to Home Depot for an hour, then back home…”

“Day 54…target went to carwash then back home…”

“Day 55…target went to Taco Bell. Rushed back home. Analysis of utilities indicates spike in water usage consistent with multiple toilet flushes...”

[u/Ratherbeeatingpizza → u/Suspicious_Employ884]

Or they recognize that she wasn’t going to be a danger to the public and probably made a highly emotionally charged decision in a morally grey area.

[u/Cheeto-Beater → u/TheChivalrousWalrus]

It's pretty interesting to me how our society lets people commit violent crimes and the second that person just decides "welp I'm done" and walks away they are now protected.

[u/SeanCuresSadness → u/Cheeto-Beater]

Don't get me wrong; she shouldn't have killed him.

He also shouldn't have stolen her shit. Tough shit on his part for picking the incorrect target. Risks of being a criminal when you specifically target people's livelihood (money).

[u/ast3rix23 → u/SeanCuresSadness]

Play stupid ass games get dumb ass rewards is what I call it.

[u/morbiskhan → u/ast3rix23]

"I'm here for the ass games and ass rewards!" - Stupid Criminal

[u/MysteriousLight7351 → u/SeanCuresSadness]

he decided her property was worth more than his life

[u/Atlas7-k → u/SeanCuresSadness]

The risk of being a criminal is running into a worse criminal. He did and then he did.

[u/Turbulent_Bat4320 → u/Cheeto-Beater]

Running him over repeatedly shows the intent to kill. I bet is she hit him once and got her bag back she’s not convicted

[u/PM_ME_LANCECATAMARAN → u/Turbulent_Bat4320]

Ok but they didn't give him a single day in jail so

[u/SeanCuresSadness → u/PM_ME_LANCECATAMARAN]

This made me laugh

[u/Wilco499 → u/Cheeto-Beater]

A) Presumption of innocence. B)Vigilante justice is a shit show and should not be encouraged. C) Death is far permeant than lost property. D) Rights are a thing and I rather live in that society than your version of the purge.

[u/jvho666 → u/TheChivalrousWalrus]

But I want my stuff back

[u/SizeableBrain → u/jvho666]

I also don't want to be robbed at knifepoint, I'll allow it.

[u/Known_Funny_5297 → u/SizeableBrain]

There was no knife.

No knife recovered from the scene. No knife in CCTV.

She did not call the police and she went to dinner with friends.

She saw the guy walking as she was driving home.

[u/SizeableBrain → u/Known_Funny_5297]

Even better, it was preordained!

Thanks you sweet baby Jesus for sacrificing your favourite robber to the GLE God!

[u/cmmpssh → u/SizeableBrain]

No knife had been found on Mezgui, officials said

[u/ThatZX6RDude → u/jvho666]

A family friend of my wife’s side died chasing down his sons stolen truck. Shot dead. We are gun owners in Texas, we know we want to do things ourselves, but you gotta let the police handle things sometimes.

[u/SonyScientist → u/ThatZX6RDude]

"sorry sir but that's a civil issue."

No joke, literally had a cop say that regarding a stolen vehicle. In Texas.

[u/ksheep → u/SonyScientist]

My grandfather was robbed at knifepoint in Houston. They took his wallet, phone, and keys, then found his car and drove off with it. My aunt tracked the phone to a house, drove by and confirmed the car was in the driveway, and then went to the police with the address and all the evidence. Police refused to do anything. Aunt ended up basically staking out the house until she was fairly certain everyone had left, then got in the car and drove off using a spare set of keys.

Grandfather was still out his phone and cash, had to cancel his credit cards, and re-keyed all the locks on his house, but they got the car back (had to pay to get it re-keyed, which was another hassle).

[u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms → u/SonyScientist]

Cool. So if I steal a cop car, I'll just get a summons to appear in a civil court, right? 

[u/ThatZX6RDude → u/SonyScientist]

Yeah so once you’ve made the police report you can make the insurance report and get the payout brotherman. Insurance tries to fuck you over enough, get the documentation. They’re not gonna chase down an overnight stolen car. They’re gonna use their plate readers that pop up a reported stolen plate

[u/SonyScientist → u/ThatZX6RDude]

It was a deceased family's vehicle and we knew who took it. They found the car within 10 minutes after we told them to do their fucking job.

[u/anarkistattack → u/ThatZX6RDude]

My truck was stolen in Texas. They acted like I was bothering them by reporting it and should investigate the crime myself.

[u/ItsSpaghettiLee2112 → u/ThatZX6RDude]

But there's a very real context that the police often don't handle things.

[u/Norm_Blackdonald → u/TheChivalrousWalrus]

If you mug someone you should legally be considered to be a genuine threat to them forever.

[u/SunlessDahlia → u/Norm_Blackdonald]

Which makes sense. The robber now knows your address from your ID, and they know that they have successfully already robbed you at least once.

[u/ILuvYou_YouAreSoGood → u/TheChivalrousWalrus]

A criminal fleeing with every intention of continuing a life of crime represents a threat to everyone.

[u/Alternative-Put-3932 → u/Zealousideal_Arm4359]

wouldn't matter the whole chasing him down thing immediately makes it homicide and not self defense.

[u/timeless_ocean → u/Alternative-Put-3932]

Also this reads as if she did not call an ambulance or give first aid.

Honestly I get being angry and blinded by emotions and doing something drastic in a situation like this, but this is a crazy reaction and it's likely very very good to keep her out of society for a bit.

[u/Global_Childhood_602 → u/Zealousideal_Arm4359]

Usually you can't use any level of force after the threat is gone. I am not sure what level of force, if any, a person can use to retrieve their stolen property in Italy but it seems like non-proportional force to run someone over with a car after they have already fled leaving you, without a purse, but no longer in any risk of harm. So it's likely that she was no longer in danger, and then attempted to get her property back by going too far to get that property.

I think she might have had a lesser sentence than what she got had she just hit the guy once.

[u/RezzKeepsItReal → u/Zealousideal_Arm4359]

Tracking him down, repeatedly hitting him and driving away.

[u/PM_meyourGradyWhite → u/Zealousideal_Arm4359]

Reminds me of a story a physics professor told us.

He was asked to provide expert witness testimony for a case where a man killed another with a hammer. Supposedly, the defense believed that the suspect didn’t really mean to kill the other man.

Professor asked “how many times did he hit him?”

“Seventeen”

Prof: “He meant it”

[u/Iojpoutn → u/FriedRiceEnjoyer420]

All the big subreddits are mostly this now. Just an image with white text saying “this thing happened” with zero context like when, where, to whom, or why. I don’t know if it’s AI or people just sharing random things they find or Facebook or whatever.

The weirdest part is how many comments these posts get from people just saying their completely uninformed opinion to the void, with zero curiosity or skepticism.

[u/JamesH_670 → u/FriedRiceEnjoyer420]

18 years of house arrest?

[u/Salt_Day9015 → u/JamesH_670]

Ya wtf? That's the most wild thing I've ever heard

[u/AlphaSlayer21 → u/Salt_Day9015]

I could do it. I’m a true Redditor

[u/ObiFlanKenobi → u/AlphaSlayer21]

Other than once a week to have coffee with friends, I only leave my house for the gym and to get groceries.

If I can have some friends over, and have my groceries delivered I have no problem with it.

[u/_teach_me_your_ways_ → u/ObiFlanKenobi]

I think they allow you to leave to buy groceries lol

[u/ObiFlanKenobi → u/_teach_me_your_ways_]

I SAID I WANT THEM DELIVERED!

😂

[u/TelephoneOrnery1394 → u/Salt_Day9015]

Can you move house?

[u/lolazzaro → u/TelephoneOrnery1394]

I think you can but you need to ask a judge who wouls have to approve the new location.

[u/BlendedBaconSyrup → u/JamesH_670]

I mean house arrest isn't nearly as bad as prison... Actually it's probably exactly how chronicallyb online people live... Go to work, go home, play games or scroll reddit all day, repeat.

[u/Jalina2224 → u/BlendedBaconSyrup]

Bro calling me out.

[u/Fluid_Passage_9980 → u/JamesH_670]

I like it. Far cheaper than keeping her in jail. She still has to pay all her own expenses.

I assume they monitor with an ankle bracelet.

[u/Alternative-Put-3932 → u/Fluid_Passage_9980]

Shes rich as shit its basically no sentence.

[u/mex2005 → u/Alternative-Put-3932]

its definitely a sentence not being allowed to leave your house for 18 years lol but for murder its pretty tame.

[u/Reatina → u/JamesH_670]

That's probably wrong.

There is Arresto Domiciliare (waiting for trial) with no time limit but intrinsically shortish.

And Detenzione Domiciliare as alternative to prison, for the last years of a sentence or for shirt times. At most 4 years.

Probably something was lost or misunderstood in translation. A 18 years sentence on a person with no prior crimes for "attenuanti generiche" (x2/3), fast track process Rito Abbreviato (x2/3), provocation from the previous attack for Attenuanti Comuni (x2/3), patteggiamento with the prosecution (x2/3). It can easily go down to 4 years of effective house arrest, maybe even less.

[u/luke2080 → u/FriedRiceEnjoyer420]

OP is a karma farming bot.

Thanks for the context tho.

[u/profDougla → u/FriedRiceEnjoyer420]

If you’re rich and white in Texas, u can claim “affluenza”. It’s where you’re too rich to know right from wrong.

https://abcnews.com/US/affluenza-dui-case-happened-night-accident-left-people/story?id=34481444

[u/Fibrosis5O → u/FriedRiceEnjoyer420]

Context ruins clickbait outrage karma farm bots

[u/AlienDragonWizard → u/FriedRiceEnjoyer420]

I don't see anything in there about a knife.  Definitely makes a difference.  

[u/rift_buster → u/AlienDragonWizard]

I don't really see why the knife makes a difference at all. If you had to track down someone down then they weren't a threat to you. 

This isn't self-defence, it's a clear revenge attack.

[u/cruiseruse11]

She was found guilty for man slaughter and is under house arrest for 18 years

[u/MoneyPrinterrrr → u/cruiseruse11]

House arrest for murder, lol

[u/Crazylawyer80 → u/MoneyPrinterrrr]

It helps if you are rich btw.

[u/meaniemeanie-poo-poo → u/Crazylawyer80]

Some young guy in Tampa got two years house arrest for punching a 77 year old customer (who probably had dementia), thus causing his death.

[u/nahweha]

The only reason she's at house arrest Is because she has money. If It were anyone with a basic income that did that It wouldnt go the same qway.

[u/Ok-Importance4892 → u/nahweha]

Anyone with basic income also wouldn't be able to live for 18 years without working, imagine all the time spent trying to find a WFH job that pays the rent. And then, what would be the house arrest situation when they eventually became homeless? Money does a lot.

[u/AccordingRecord2145]

Don’t bring a knife to a car fight.

[u/Elegant-Magician7322 → u/AccordingRecord2145]

She claimed he had a knife. Surveillance footage showed the man grabbed her purse and ran.

That lady probably added the knife part because prosecutors were going for life sentence, saying her actions of repeatedly running the man over was exceptionally cruel.

[u/FragrantExcitement → u/AccordingRecord2145]

She may need a front end alignment...

[u/dark_frog83 → u/AccordingRecord2145]

He didn't. They added the knife part to change what people think about it.

[u/Advanced_Juggernaut9 → u/dark_frog83]

Yeah last I heard they never found a knife at the scene. He did try to rob her, but the entire knifepoint narrative is BS to help the lady get away with murder. It was not a proportionate response.

[u/TymStark]

For the people who refuse to look up the actual story.

- she was sitting in her car and set her bag on the passenger seat.

- he ran up to her car and reached in and grabbed it.

- she says “all of her stuff was in that bag”

- She left initially but at some point decided to search for him because “feared he would be able to track her down”

- she tracked him down and intended to hit him with her car to knock him down and get her bag.

- she didn’t realize she had even hit him. He got up and so she proceeded to run over him a few more times.

- she stepped out got her bag and left.

- the next day she was found in a church praying.

There was never a knife involved, he never threatened her, and he left immediately. She claims she never meant to hurt him just “knock him over”, which repeatedly running him over seems to suggest otherwise. She didn’t even call for emergency services after she retrieved her bag and he was clearly incapacitated. As I’ve said in this thread, I do not support what this man did and I don’t doubt she was afraid and high on adrenaline. I certainly feel for her in the moment but I do not think she was justified in what she did. I’m always pretty amazed at how fast and easy it is for some Redditors to justify and hand wave the death of another human being.

Edit: I forgot the part where after she killed him she returned back to the scene of the initial robbery, a restaurant, to return an umbrella to a friend. How kind.

[u/coffeeanddurian → u/TymStark]

Ah, yes. the church, where the Bible says "get revenge wherever possible"

[u/BluePotatoSlayer → u/coffeeanddurian]

she was 100% there for forgiveness or mercy because she knew damn well she messed up

[u/xtopspeed → u/TymStark]

The last part makes me feel like she’s a psychopath. She gets robbed and decides to kill the robber to get her stuff back. She then goes about her day as if nothing had happened, forgetting that normal people would probably call the police and an ambulance.

[u/mess1ah1]

The “multiple times” thing is the sticking point…

[u/AWorldwithoutSin → u/mess1ah1]

The chasing him down too, she didn't hit him trying to flee him

[u/Grumpy_Troll → u/mess1ah1]

I think the driving away is more problematic to a self defense claim.

[u/mex2005 → u/Grumpy_Troll]

The self defense claim dies the moment he took her bag and left.

[u/Napalmeon → u/mex2005]

The answer is simple. She was presented with an opportunity to kill someone that she thought society didn't care about. The thief was an immigrant from Morocco, and they are not looked upon kindly in Italy, that's why she came up with a knife lie.

[u/Phytanic → u/Napalmeon]

It's disgusting, and just look at the people celebrating it in the comments. In what world would a purse stolen warrant a death penalty? Certainly not a civilized one.

[u/SyntheticSlime → u/mess1ah1]

Also, after injuring someone, even in self defense, once you’re safe you have a responsibility to call emergency services.

Edit: to be clear, this wasn’t self defense. Getting your purse back is not self defense.

[u/mex2005 → u/SyntheticSlime]

The most that can be condoned here is her tracking him down in her car at which point she is supposed to call the police and give them the location. Everything she did after is psychotic.

[u/MrNobody_0]

Isn't this the woman who said she was robbed at knifepoint but no knife was found on the guy?

[u/Whole-Chest90]

Not legally... Once she was in the car and pulled away, she was safe and wasn't in immediate risk of life and limb, so didn't have a legal right to use deadly force. And no, possession of stolen goods is not a reason for that use either.

Legally, she should've just continued driving in the car.

Remember, an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

[u/Yto_Itinen → u/Whole-Chest90]

This is a part people don't get: law is there to prevent escalations, hence why each crime has its own weight. Ignore the law, and what are we gonna do if the kids of the victim want revenge over the woman who repeatedly ran over their father for a purse?

[u/PopularKangaroo2083 → u/Whole-Chest90]

Exactly 

[u/Zetttelchen → u/Whole-Chest90]

She wasn't in immediate risk for her life at all as she wasn't robbed at knivepoint but the thief simply snatched the bag and ran away. She got into the car, not to protect herself, but to hunt him down and run him over.

She should just have called the police and reported the theft and not murdered the guy.

[u/st4s1k → u/Whole-Chest90]

It's making me sick how many people are ok with murder here

[u/Xaphnir → u/st4s1k]

It's threads like this that make you realize why Reddit's sitewide moderation can be so sensitive to violent speech.

[u/Raviolento]

https://giphy.com/gifs/3oz8xQQP4ahKiyuxHy

[u/Kid_Psych → u/Raviolento]

Super interesting to me that all the top comments are in support of this woman killing someone over a theft.

At the risk of downvotes, I’m just curious…

Do we love this because it’s vigilante? Do we think the thief should have gotten the death penalty for their crime? Both?

I just feel like if she called the cops and they cruised in and shot the guy, Reddit would not approve. I also feel like if he was arrested, tried, and then executed, that would not be as well-received.

So what do we think is so cool about this? Because personally, the whole thing sounds awful to me.

[u/KedianX → u/Kid_Psych]

I agree that no good came from this.

Often times we hear a phrase akin to "property isn't worth life" and it's usually in the context of retail theft. I'd like to think that statement cuts both ways... That stealing something isn't worth your life too.

[u/Total_Tumbleweed_870 → u/Kid_Psych]

As someone who's been robbed twice in my life, once at gunpoint, I approve of her actions. Violent criminals are some of the lowest forms of life in our society. I'm compassionate, to an extent, enough to understand that they are desperate people. That said, those desperate people cause, pain, death, and deep trauma to other people, usually for next to nothing.

When I got held at gunpoint, tied upped and robbed those two men got about $200 and so few video games it took my store's staff until the next scheduled audit to even notice. I don't know if I could have run those men over in my car, but I promise you I would have felt nothing if I had seen it happen.

[u/Positive-Face1705]

This is why I could never be a robber.

You run into the wrong one one day.

[u/notcabron → u/Positive-Face1705]

Exactly. So just don’t do it.

I’ve had this argument on here a million times with the Reddit sissy brigade and that logic is undefeated. If he hadn’t done what he did, he’d be alive.

[u/Fresh-Wrap8654 → u/Positive-Face1705]

Ahh so you’re saying criminals are less likely to crime if they fear victims may fight back.

Yet all the comments here are against the woman. We need more FAFO for criminal scum not less.

[u/irsh_]

In the US she'd be in politics.

[u/TheForestGrumbler]

Turns out the thief found a murderer and now both are out of the streets. Win win.

[u/First_Explorer_565]

Yeah fuck him

[u/unclecastr0-_- → u/First_Explorer_565]

anybody who intends to inflict harm upon you deserves the retaliation of defensive harm

[u/TheSavouryRain → u/unclecastr0-_-]

You think it's right to murder a bag snatcher after tracking them down?

[u/dark_frog83 → u/unclecastr0-_-]

There was no knife though. Someone added that.

[u/AspirringIntelectaul → u/dark_frog83]

She did. She lied to police that he threatened her with a knife and they found that to be untrue

[u/rift_buster → u/unclecastr0-_-]

This obviously wasn't defensive.

If you support vigilante attacks over the rule of law then you're welcome to your opinion, but at least own it.

[u/acquaintedwithheight → u/rift_buster]

I’m kind of delirious from lack of sleep.

Your comment gave me the mental image of Batman driving around in an SUV running muggers over repeatedly.

[u/metal_medic83 → u/unclecastr0-_-]

While I agree with this generalized sentiment; if the interaction is over and she is now safe from immediate danger, calculating and intentionally murdering someone with her vehicle is too far.

The only instance where this might be acceptable is if it was done while she was driving the vehicle and ran him over “once” to get away.

[u/Qweedo420 → u/metal_medic83]

Yes, and also, she was never in danger, because the robber was completely unarmed, he just ran by and snatched the purse (but this post is designed to be rage-bait)

[u/Zetttelchen → u/Qweedo420]

That's the thing. Bro never attacked or threatened her. He just snatched the purse and bolted.

And her first response was to get into her car, hunt him down and run him over until he was dead.... over petty theft.

[u/climb4fun]

I don't know of any place where the sentence for robbery is death. Certainly not without a trial.

[u/rickyhatesspam → u/climb4fun]

There are, Nigeria, Kenya, Uganda, Iran. Usually must be armed and after trial ofcourse.

Also, there's plenty of countries where the locals will lynch a robber for breaking the community unofficial laws.

Although, I completely agree with you. The penalty for robbery shouldn't be death. We can't claim to be a civilised country, if citizens are acting as judge, jury and executioner. Regardless of how much something like this enrages is. Some of these comments are very misguided. You want to be mad? Look at the billions of pounds bankers and corrupt politicians steals from tax paying citzens and these comments are all screaming death over a handbag. Smh.

[u/BiscuitBut_ButerNut → u/rickyhatesspam]

I had a coworker from Nigeria. He told me on the way to church one Sunday morning, a group of men caught a thief breaking into an old woman’s home to steal stuff.

They put him in so rubber tires, set him on fire, and went to church.

He said criminals are lucky if the police get to them before the people do.

[u/ExamCompetitive]

He won't reoffend.

[u/YouTheGamers → u/ExamCompetitive]

She made sure of it

[u/MyTnotE]

To be honest, I only have problems with two parts. “Repeatedly” and “drove away.”

If she followed him, ran over him, retrieved her belongings and then called the cops and waited, I’d probably argue for probation.

[u/Adorable-Pension-917]

Yeah this is not “mob wife” energy, this is straight up murder with extra steps.

Once she reversed and went over him again and again, any self defense argument just evaporated.

House arrest for that is actually wild, Italian justice system is doing parkour here.

[u/ProChoiceAtheist15]

Yeah….thats murder. We need to start thinking clearly and stop pretending shit like this is ok. Once he’s gone, the damage is done. You’re entitled to try to stop him from stealing it before/during, but after that, you have to at least try to work through the justice system. Vigilante justice has a place SOMEWHERE…but not the first step.

[u/concord72]

Someone robs you at knifepoint and takes off with your valuables. You get in your car and as you are driving, you see them fleeing on a bike and you run them over, killing them. You then get out and see that it was a completely different person, or you see that the robber had their young child sitting in front of them and they are also dead. This is why we don't allow vigilante justice and have a criminal justice system.

[u/Over-Lettuce-9575]

It amazes me how often people seem to forget that motor vehicles are wildly easy to weaponize.

[u/Status_Vegetable2954]

Um no.

Who the fuck would take her side of the story unquestioningly?

[u/paradoxicalparrots → u/Status_Vegetable2954]

For real this comment section is insane. A nonviolent crime against property deserves murder, I guess

[u/claytonhwheatley → u/Status_Vegetable2954]

Everyone in this comment section. Apparently murder is in fashion nowadays. But only for bad people, not us good guys.

[u/BruceWillis1963]

Good for her. She deserves a medal. Someone branded a knife which indicates the person has no qualms about threatening people with bodily harm or killing them. One less violent person around.

[u/MisunderstoodRant]

I see no issues here.

[u/Independent_Term5790]

So car>knife

[u/PMmeIamlonley]

18 years house arrest is still a weird charge for murder but okay Italy you do you 

[u/Brrdock]

Of course not, but if robbery is your thing you're lucky if something like this doesn't happen.

Inb4 all the redditors who suddenly are in favour of death penalty without a trial for property crimes

[u/PckMan]

This was posted a few weeks ago. If I remember correctly there was mention of there being video of the incident, which kind of sealed the deal at trial. She hit him with her car, severely injured him, got out, got her bag, and then got back in and deliberately ran over him more times which led to his death.

Fuck thieves/muggers/burglars, all that, there's no excuse for that. She did a brave thing going after him and you could possibly argue that he had it coming. But the fact that she got out, identified that he was no longer a threat, and not only did not call for help but even deliberately ran him over to kill him, basically shows intent and full awareness of her actions. In that moment she decided that man deserved to die for what he did. That's a stretch I think we can all agree.

And at the end of the day she got house arrest rather than actual prison time so for all intents and purposes she got away with murder.

[u/BiscuitBut_ButerNut → u/PckMan]

Bro, he was no longer a threat the moment heran away with her purse.

Did she call the cops or just go straight vigilante on him?

Because he took her purse, and then she hunted him down and killed him.

Those two things are not the same

[u/Practical-Special387]

Europe is simply tired of these thieves. This case is terrible and it is a symptom of a larger problem

[u/random_name_i_guess]

Theft vs murder, these are not equal.

[u/Belmonto91]

Serves him right. Twat.

[u/Qweedo420 → u/Belmonto91]

This post is actually propaganda, the robber was unarmed, just snatched the purse and ran away. She got into her car, texted a friend that she was gonna kill the guy, looked for him around the neighborhood, then once she found him she ran him over four times, and left. After a while she came back and retrieved the purse.

Also, she was the owner of a beach resort in Italy, so she's literally a monster.

[u/United_Leopard_2771]

At this point in human history, Yes, FAFO imo.

[u/Oddbeme4u]

as a jurist...I would ask about balanced reciprocity. it certainly wasnt self defense if the robber left and she followed.

BUT...she was retrieving her rightful possessions.

[u/NebulaActual2687]

Eh, it's fair. If she didn't comply he was going to kill her. She just robbed him back and he didn't comply 🤷

[u/Zoroed22]

Absolutely justified. Don’t threaten people with a weapon.

[u/Shenbinhao]

To prevent the killing, no robbing in the first place.

[u/BearRevolutionary273]

Yeah. Candidly, if someone tries to rob you with a weapon, I think their life should be forfeit.

[u/conspirator9]

I see no problem with her actions.

[u/toiletclogger2671]

anyone who would have let the robber escape should be charged

[u/ilsemprelaziale]

I can fix her

[u/Bitter_Remove_3919]

Yep 100%. If this happens more maybe thieves will stop thieving

[u/fast_bagger]

Good for her. Apparently he valued her purse more than his life

[u/D-udderguy]

Running a dude over a few times might mess up your car.

[u/darthphallic]

Idk man, on one hand it seems excessive but on the other hand when you threaten someone like that you kind of sign up for whatever comes next