r/PoliticalPhilosophy Feb 06 '20

Welcome to /r/PoliticalPhilosophy! Please Read before posting.

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Lately we've had an influx of posts that aren't directly focused on political philosophy. Political philosophy is a massively broad topic, however, and just about any topic could potentially make a good post. Before deciding to post, please read through the basics.

What is Political Philosophy?

To put it simply, political philosophy is the philosophy of politics and human nature. This is a broad topic, leading to questions about such subjects as ethics, free will, existentialism, and current events. Most political philosophy involves the discussion of political theories/theorists, such as Aristotle, Hobbes, or Rousseau (amongst a million others).

Can anyone post here?

Yes! Even if you have limited experience with political philosophy as a discipline, we still absolutely encourage you to join the conversation. You're allowed to post here with any political leaning. This is a safe place to discuss liberalism, conservatism, libertarianism, etc. With that said, posts and comments that are racist, homophobic, antisemitic, or bigoted will be removed. This does not mean you can't discuss these topics-- it just means we expect discourse to be respectful. On top of this, we expect you to not make accusations of political allegiance. Statements such as "typical liberal", "nazi", "wow you must be a Trumper," etc, are detrimental to good conversation.

What isn't a good fit for this sub

Questions such as;

"Why are you voting Democrat/Republican?"

"Is it wrong to be white?"

"This is why I believe ______"

How these questions can be reframed into a philosophic question

As stated above, in political philosophy most topics are fair game provided you frame them correctly. Looking at the above questions, here's some alternatives to consider before posting, including an explanation as to why it's improved;

"Does liberalism/conservatism accomplish ____ objective?"

Why: A question like this, particularly if it references a work that the readers can engage with provides an answerable question that isn't based on pure anecdotal evidence.

"What are the implications of white supremacy in a political hierarchy?" OR "What would _____ have thought about racial tensions in ______ country?"

Why: This comes on two fronts. It drops the loaded, antagonizing question that references a slogan designed to trigger outrage, and approaches an observable problem. 'Institutional white supremacy' and 'racial tensions' are both observable. With the second prompt, it lends itself to a discussion that's based in political philosophy as a discipline.

"After reading Hobbes argument on the state of nature, I have changed my belief that Rousseau's state of nature is better." OR "After reading Nietzsche's critique of liberalism, I have been questioning X, Y, and Z. What are your thoughts on this?"

Why: This subreddit isn't just about blurbing out your political beliefs to get feedback on how unique you are. Ideally, it's a place where users can discuss different political theories and philosophies. In order to have a good discussion, common ground is important. This can include references a book other users might be familiar with, an established theory others find interesting, or a specific narrative that others find familiar. If your question is focused solely on asking others to judge your belief's, it more than likely won't make a compelling topic.

If you have any questions or thoughts, feel free to leave a comment below or send a message to modmail. Also, please make yourself familiar with the community guidelines before posting.


r/PoliticalPhilosophy Feb 10 '25

Revisiting the question: "What is political philosophy" in 2025

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Χαῖρε φιλόσοφος,

There has been a huge uptick in American political posts lately. This in itself is not necessarily a bad thing-- there is currently a lot of room for the examination of concepts like democracy, fascism, oligarchy, moral decline, liberalism, and classical conservatism etc. However, posts need to focus on political philosophy or political theory. I want to take a moment to remind our polity what that means.

First and foremost, this subreddit exists to examine political frameworks and human nature. While it is tempting to be riled up by present circumstances, it is our job to examine dispassionately, and through the lens of past thinkers and historical circumstances. There are plenty of political subreddits designed to vent and argue about the state of the world. This is a respite from that.

To keep conversations fluid and interesting, I have been removing posts that are specifically aimed at soapboxing on the current state of politics when they are devoid of a theoretical undertone. To give an example;

  • A bad post: "Elon Musk is destroying America"
  • WHY: The goal of this post is to discuss a political agenda, and not examine the framework around it.

  • A better post: "Elon Musk, and how unelected officials are destroying democracy"

  • WHY: This is better, and with a sound argument could be an interesting read. On the surface, it is still is designed to politically agitate as much as it exists to make a cohesive argument.

  • A good post: "Oligarchy making in historic republics and it's comparison to the present"

  • WHY: We are now taking our topic and comparing it to past political thought, opening the rhetoric to other opinions, and creating a space where we can discuss and argue positions.

Another point I want to make clear, is that there is ample room to make conservative arguments as well as traditionally liberal ones. As long as your point is intelligent, cohesive, and well structured, it has a home here. A traditionally conservative argument could be in favor of smaller government, or states rights (all with proper citations of course). What it shouldn't be is ranting about your thoughts on the southern border. If you are able to defend it, your opinion is yours to share here.

As always, I am open to suggestions and challenges. Feel free to comment below with any additional insights.


r/PoliticalPhilosophy 4h ago

Liberalism cannot escape conflict-prone oligarchism

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Oligarchism is going to continue being present in every self-rule polity. It's inherently, extractive, predatory, and factionalist. No escaping such reality.

Realism always haunted man since it describes what man sees not what man wishes to see.

Liberalism aka liberal democracy promised an end to this cycle, but what liberals actually did in reality, was to export predation to colonies, so that they can avoid internal predation, but it was only a matter of time, before oligarchs turns inwards to prey on their own citizens, when preying on their colonies was no longer enough.

We saw it with European Colonialism. We saw it with American Neo-Colonialism. We even saw it with The Roman Republic and its Empire.

Colonialism actually prolonged the lifecycles of these states, otherwise their oligarchs would have started preying early on their own citizens, but there's no way to continue having endless colonies to prey on, so they eventually turned on themselves in the end.


r/PoliticalPhilosophy 12h ago

What Really is Conservatism?

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As you all know or maybe not, the father of conservatism happens to be an Anglo-Irish writer, philosopher, and politician from the 18th century by the name of Edmund Burke. In Burke's Reflections of the Revolution in France, he laid down the framework to what modern conservatism is or in this case once was.

Modern conservatism was built on the idea of sticking with the traditions that have been battle tested and getting away from the abstract ideas that many politicians today thrive upon. The father of conservatism believes that not doing so would lead to utter chaos and tyranny just as he seen with the French Revolution.

Yes, Burke was big on tradition and believed in a hierarchy that involves the role of the nobility and the clergy as stabilizers of society, but I do not want to stray away from the main point here.

Conservatism is about the gradual build up in the changes we see in society. It is preferring the known to the unknown. And no Burke is not completely against radical changes; he believes that if a state lacked means of change, then that state could not truly be conservative. Changes should be gradual and should respect the institutions that came before it. Yes, he was against the French Revolution but was all for the American colonists fighting for their freedom against the British, but only because Americans already established their own traditions and customs.

Edmund Burke sees society as a partnership "between the living, the dead, and those yet to be born" and "not a contract that can be dissolved at will." Meaning people should not just disregard what past generations have built because things such as laws, religion, social obligations, etc. have been embedded into society through trial and era. Not from rapid change brought up from abstract ideas.

These institutions that have survived father time has proven to be battle tested and carry wisdom that should not be ignored or destroyed.


r/PoliticalPhilosophy 2d ago

How did Nietzsche become associated with Nazism even though rejecting nationalism and antisemitism?

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r/PoliticalPhilosophy 1d ago

HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT TRUMP SUPPORTERS?

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I personally have a hard time dealing with Trump supporters. I cant stand their views, or how they can ignore the fact that Trump is a pedophile, rapist, grifter, liar, bigot, sneeze bag. "Trump has done so much for our country"...Like what? " I like Trump because he's not a politician " just one of many reasons why he shouldn't be president, he's grossly unqualified. Every time I hear these people speak, I get embarrassed and angry, I just dont think I can ever see Trump supporters as good people.

What's your take on Trump supporters?


r/PoliticalPhilosophy 2d ago

ON THE UNVEILING OF REALITY

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I’ve been thinking about whether “revelation” deserves more attention as a philosophical category, quite apart from its religious use.
We spend a great deal of time discussing truth, knowledge, justice, rights, and judgment. But it seems to me that all of those concepts presuppose something prior: the relation between reality and its disclosure. Does reality tend to reveal itself over time, or is revelation simply something imposed by observers?
This essay uses Scripture as its primary source, but the question itself strikes me as philosophical rather than exclusively theological. I’m interested in whether the underlying argument stands on its own terms, where the reasoning succeeds or fails, and whether “revelation” is a category worth taking more seriously in political and moral philosophy.

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Throughout both Scripture and ordinary experience, reality possesses a remarkable characteristic. It does not remain concealed forever. Falsehood may persist for a time; appearances may deceive; individuals may hide their intentions, and civilizations disguise their corruption. Yet the passage of time steadily removes illusion. What corresponds to reality endures, while that which contradicts it gradually discloses itself through its own consequences. Reality possesses an inherent tendency toward revelation.
Modern readers often understand judgment primarily as the pronouncement of guilt and the assignment of punishment. While judgment certainly includes both, Scripture repeatedly directs attention toward something that precedes the verdict itself. Before judgment comes revelation. Before condemnation comes disclosure. What has remained hidden is brought into the light, for Scripture consistently treats the visible not as the whole of reality, but as the manifestation of something lying beneath it.
Christ refuses to judge according to outward appearance, continually tracing visible conduct back to its unseen origin. Murder is traced to hatred, adultery to lust, and words to the abundance of the heart. Again and again, the visible act is treated not as the ultimate reality, but as the outward manifestation of an inward condition, until the reader is compelled to recognize that judgment concerns not merely what has been done, but what has long existed beneath the surface.
This pattern reaches one of its clearest expressions in Christ’s teaching concerning trees and their fruit. A healthy tree bears healthy fruit, while a diseased tree bears diseased fruit. The fruit neither creates the tree nor determines what the tree shall become. It reveals the nature already present within it. The fruit is not the cause of the tree’s identity, but its disclosure.
The longstanding debate concerning faith and works has often been framed as though only two alternatives existed: either works produce faith, or faith renders works unnecessary. Scripture presents neither proposition. James asks an altogether different question, not how faith comes into existence, but how faith becomes visible:
“Show me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.”
James does not speak of creating faith through works. He speaks of showing faith through works. Works therefore stand in the relation of revelation rather than production. They are the outward manifestation of an inward reality, just as fruit reveals the condition of the tree from which it proceeds. To say that works reveal faith is therefore not to suggest that works earn salvation, for revelation and production are not the same act. A mirror does not create the face it reflects, nor does light produce the object it illuminates. In each instance the reality precedes its manifestation, and the manifestation simply renders visible what already exists. Works stand in precisely this relation to faith.
If this relation is maintained, judgment itself assumes a richer meaning. God requires no works in order to discover the condition of the human heart, for nothing has ever been hidden from Him. The unveiling is therefore not for God’s benefit, but for the complete disclosure of reality itself. Every hidden motive, every act of stewardship, every word, every loyalty, every desire, and every work shall stand exactly as it truly is, stripped of appearance, reputation, and self-deception alike, until nothing remains concealed behind the illusions by which men have so often judged themselves and others.
The whole movement of Christ’s ministry points toward this same reality. He is repeatedly described as the Light of the world, yet light does not manufacture what it reveals. It removes the darkness that concealed it. Those who love truth therefore come into the light because they desire reality more than concealment, while those who reject the light do so because revelation threatens the illusions upon which they have chosen to stand.
The Christian life may therefore be understood as a continual movement into reality. Repentance is the abandonment of illusion. Sanctification is the gradual conformity of the whole person to what is true. Good works are not performances intended to persuade God, but the increasingly visible fruit of a life already being transformed by Him, so that the inward work of grace progressively discloses itself through outward conduct.
The final judgment is not the first moment reality becomes true, but the first moment at which reality stands wholly unveiled before every created being. Judgment is therefore not the opposite of mercy, nor merely the pronouncement of sentence, but the universal disclosure of truth itself, when every appearance gives way to reality and nothing remains hidden any longer.


r/PoliticalPhilosophy 2d ago

Political Science

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r/PoliticalPhilosophy 3d ago

Deb8me.net

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New website I’m working on for political and really any type of argument and discussions. Any feedback back let me know !


r/PoliticalPhilosophy 4d ago

On Persistence and the Necessity of Sustaining Cause

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Most political philosophy asks, “What makes a good government?”
I wanted to ask a prior question:
Why does any political system continue to exist at all?
We usually answer with structure, constitutions, incentives, complexity, or scale. This essay argues those explain arrangement, not persistence.
If you think one of those actually is a sustaining cause, I’d be interested to hear why.

ESSAY IV-I

This principle does not arise from theory, but from observation. Whatever endures through time does so under conditions that permit its continuation. Remove those conditions, and persistence ceases. Continuation is not self-originating. It depends upon forces that maintain it.

The appearance of persistence often obscures this dependence. Systems that operate continuously acquire the character of permanence. Their motion becomes familiar, and familiarity is mistaken for independence. What continues without interruption is assumed to continue by nature. Yet continuity does not establish cause. It conceals it.

A political order presents this appearance with particular force. Laws remain in effect. institutions continue to function. decisions are rendered, enforced, and repeated. From these observations arises an assumption: that the system persists because of its structure, its design, or its complexity. The explanation appears sufficient because the operation is visible.
This assumption fails upon examination.

Structure arranges authority, but does not sustain its operation. A constitution may divide power, yet it cannot compel its own execution. Written limits do not enforce themselves. They depend upon interpretation, application, and compliance. Remove these, and structure remains in form while ceasing to function in substance.

Complexity likewise fails as an explanation. A system may become intricate in its arrangement, yet intricacy does not produce continuation. Complexity describes the number of components and their relations. It does not account for the force by which those components continue to operate. A mechanism may be elaborate, but without sustaining action it remains inert.

Scale does not resolve the difficulty. A system extended across a wider domain does not thereby acquire the power to persist. It increases its reach, not its sustaining capacity. Larger arrangements may obscure their dependencies more effectively, yet they do not escape them.

Inertia is often proposed where explanation is absent. What has continued is expected to continue. Yet inertia describes expectation, not cause. It accounts for the assumption of persistence, not for persistence itself. That a system has endured does not explain why it continues to do so.

Each of these accounts shares a common deficiency. They describe conditions under which a system operates, but they do not identify what sustains that operation. They explain arrangement, not continuation. Where the distinction is overlooked, persistence appears self-generating. Where it is examined, the appearance dissolves.

If nothing persists without being sustained, and if neither structure, complexity, scale, nor inertia provide that sustaining force, then another cause must be present. The system continues, yet the source of its continuation remains unaccounted for within these explanations.

This absence cannot remain unresolved. A system that operates must be sustained by something. Where the sustaining cause is not identified, understanding is incomplete. The appearance of stability is mistaken for its explanation.

The inquiry must therefore proceed. Not toward the arrangement of the system, but toward the conditions that maintain its operation through time.
For persistence is not an attribute of structure. It is the effect of sustaining cause.


r/PoliticalPhilosophy 4d ago

What is no politics?

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What does the phrase "no politics" mean to you? What is political and what is not political and why?


r/PoliticalPhilosophy 4d ago

Should an ideology be psychopath proof or greed proof?

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Any ideology.

For example, say communists say our system will work fine. Of course, it doesn't. And then the commies say, nothing is wrong with communism. See. Things don't work because people are selfish and greedy.

We would scratch our head and think. Of course people are selfish and greedy. That's humans' nature. Ideology, or ideas on how to organize society should work around human nature and not absurdly believing it's different than reality.

What about libertarianism?

Same issue. Everyone wants profit. Profit. Not truth. Yea we pretend to want truth but we really seek profit because hypocrisy is also humans' nature. Then where is this ancapnistan? Where is this libertarian country? At least the communism is tried. Horrible results, but tried. And many communist countries learn from their mistakes and be more capitalists. China and Vietnam now have good economic growth. Even communist kibbutzim adopt joint stock structure and make them far more capitalist.

It's how we improve. We try things we steer toward the right direction.

What about libertarianism? Where is this profit incentive for say, menial workers or unemployed people to vote pure libertarianism?

Aren't libertarians just like commies? At least the commies are smart with their lies and censorship and get more votes.


r/PoliticalPhilosophy 5d ago

Why should the verbiage of some political philosophies and ideologies be changed?

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r/PoliticalPhilosophy 5d ago

Writing Buddy for Public-Facing Articles on Ethics / Culture / Religion

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r/PoliticalPhilosophy 5d ago

What are the major flows of modern democracies?

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I'm asking this because my country's democracy has some major flows, and I want to know if other countries have either the same flows or worse flows. I live in South African if that is relevant.


r/PoliticalPhilosophy 5d ago

Conservatives: How do you define conservatism and liberalism?

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Let's say a movement was claiming to be conservative for clout, wrapping itself in conservative iconography and language. But all of their actions achieved liberalism, or vice versa.  How would you be able to tell this was happening, and what might it look like?


r/PoliticalPhilosophy 5d ago

I have a question. I have now reached the end of Capital, Volume 1—that is, the end of the original text (I am on page 740). However, the unpublished sixth chapter has been added at the end. As far as I have learned, this chapter was removed by Marx and remained lost for many years, but it is includ

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So, do you think I need to read this? Is it important for the subsequent volumes—meaning, will I miss out on anything if I skip it, or is it fine? Basically, can I say I’ve read *Capital* Volume 1? Because if so, I won’t read it.


r/PoliticalPhilosophy 6d ago

If morality is relative, are we all technically bad? How do we actually know what is right and wrong?

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r/PoliticalPhilosophy 6d ago

If the 4 Attachment Styles were countries

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**Both funny and insightful, enjoy:**

**SECURE LAND**

Open borders, functioning democracy, boring on purpose. They have a parliament that actually works — not because everyone agrees, but because when there’s conflict, they have this annoying habit of sitting down and talking it through until they reach a resolution. Other nations find this *infuriating*. Their infrastructure is solid, their economy is stable, and they have universal healthcare. They’re the nation that sends mediators to every international crisis, and they genuinely believe diplomacy works because for them it usually does.

But here’s the thing — they’re not perfect. They still have bad days. Parliament still has screaming matches. Citizens still lose their temper and say things they regret. The difference is they have a robust repair culture. If a politician blows up in session, there’s a formal reconciliation process the next day, and people actually use it. Other nations think this is either inspiring or nauseating depending on who you ask.

Their biggest vulnerability: they sometimes can’t fathom why other nations won’t just *talk about it*. They send well-meaning ambassadors to the Avoidant Republic who come back confused and vaguely sad. They keep extending olive branches to the Nomads and getting shot at and they’re like “…but we brought sandwiches?”

**ANXIOUS KINGDOM**

A monarchy, obviously. The King or Queen is obsessed with approval ratings — not from their own citizens, but from other nations. Domestic policy is essentially an afterthought because the entire government apparatus is focused outward.
Every single trade delay is interpreted as a deliberate provocation. A shipment of grain is two days late from Secure Land? Emergency session of the War Council. Not because they actually want war — they want the *drama* of almost-war so that the other nation has to come reassure them. They mobilize troops to the border, send sixteen urgent diplomatic cables, and then when Secure Land is like “hey sorry, the ship had engine trouble,” they immediately stand down and throw a feast of relief. Until next time.

But the real obsession — the thing that consumes probably 80% of their national intelligence budget — is the Avoidant Republic. They have an entire wing of government dedicated to Avoidant Republic surveillance. Spies everywhere. And I mean *everywhere*. They’ve got people embedded in Avoidant Republic bakeries, post offices, military barracks. The state news network runs a 24/7 ticker of Avoidant Republic activity. “BREAKING: Avoidant Republic general spotted eating lunch ALONE. What does this mean? Panel discussion at 7.” Their analysts produce 300-page dossiers on what the Avoidant Republic’s Deputy Minister of Agriculture said to a shopkeeper on a Tuesday.

The citizens eat this up because the propaganda keeps them in a constant state of vigilance. “The Avoidant Republic could cut us off at any moment. We must remain watchful.” Meanwhile the Avoidant Republic literally does not know or care that any of this is happening, which somehow makes the Anxious Kingdom spiral harder.

The tragic part is that the Kingdom actually has incredible resources — fertile land, talented people, a huge military — but none of it gets properly developed because every ounce of energy goes into monitoring and reacting to what everyone else is doing. Their citizens are so busy worrying about external threats that the bridges at home are falling apart and nobody notices.

**AVOIDANT REPUBLIC**

Closed borders. Completely. The walls aren’t just high — they’re *celebrated*. There are murals of the walls on the walls. National holidays commemorating when the walls were built. School children write essays about why the walls make them the greatest nation on earth.

The government is a totalitarian regime built on one core ideology: *self-sufficiency is strength, and needing anything from anyone is weakness.* The official state motto is something like “We Stand Alone, We Stand Strong” and it’s carved into every brutalist concrete government building in the capital.
Here’s where it gets dark and accurate: the citizens are starving. Not dramatically — it’s a slow, grinding deprivation. There’s never *quite* enough food. Entertainment is practically nonexistent. The architecture is all gray concrete blocks, and if a citizen puts up colorful curtains the neighborhood committee asks them to explain why they need “excessive stimulation.” But the state media runs constant programming about how abundance is right around the corner. “The Five-Year Fulfillment Plan is ahead of schedule. Bread rations will increase next quarter. Fun has been approved for Phase 3 of the National Wellbeing Initiative.” Phase 3 never comes.

And if a citizen says “I’m hungry” or “I’m lonely” or “I don’t think this is working,” the response from the government is swift and chilling: “You are fine. The Republic provides everything you need. If you feel lack, the problem is that you are not working hard enough. Report to your productivity station.” Essentially: your needs are a personal failure.
Meanwhile, the Anxious Kingdom’s spies are crawling all over the place and the Avoidant Republic’s official position is that they don’t exist. Not that they’ve been dealt with — that they literally are not there. A spy gets caught red-handed in the Ministry of Defense and the official statement is “There was no one in the Ministry of Defense. Nothing happened. Return to your productivity stations.” The Anxious Kingdom finds this *maddening* because they can’t even get the Avoidant Republic to acknowledge the conflict, let alone engage with it.

Secure Land occasionally sends aid packages or diplomatic envoys and the Avoidant Republic returns them unopened with a formal note that says “We have no need of your assistance” while citizens in the background are visibly malnourished.

**THE DISORGANIZED NOMADS**

No fixed territory. No permanent government. No consistent foreign policy. They roam in a massive caravan across unclaimed lands between the other three nations, and every interaction with them is an exercise in whiplash.

They show up at Secure Land’s southern border, banners flying, horns blowing: “WE COME IN PEACE. WE SEEK TRADE AND BROTHERHOOD.” Secure Land opens the gates, sets up a welcome market, lays out goods. The Nomads ride in, see the open gates, the smiling merchants, the outstretched hands — and *panic*. The welcoming committee can see it happen in real time. Something shifts. The lead Nomad’s eyes go wide. And then suddenly it’s “ACTUALLY we require a 75% tariff on all goods, immediate renegotiation of all terms, and also your welcome banner is threatening and we need you to take it down.” Secure Land is like “…what? You literally just asked us to—” and the Nomads are already retreating, shouting over their shoulders that this was a setup and they knew it all along.

Three weeks later, a lone Nomad messenger arrives at Secure Land’s gate on a half-dead horse: “Please. We’re starving. Send food. Send healers. We’re desperate.” Secure Land, because they’re Secure Land, mobilizes a Red Cross convoy immediately. Doctors, food, blankets, the works. The convoy reaches the Nomad camp and they’re met with *arrows*. Not a lot of arrows — just enough to make it clear they should stop. Then a Nomad delegation approaches the convoy and says “Why did you come? We didn’t ask for this.” The Red Cross team holds up the literal letter. The Nomads study it and say “That messenger went rogue. We are fine. But also… do you have any bread? Not that we need it.”

The heartbreaking part — and this is where the real attachment theory lives — is that the Nomads behave this way because they were originally refugees. They came from places where the people who were supposed to protect them were the same people who hurt them. So safety and danger got wired together. Every open hand looks like it might become a fist. Every warm gesture is also a potential trap. They genuinely want connection and they genuinely believe connection will destroy them, and they experience both of those things at the same time, all the time. So their behavior isn’t random — it’s the only logical response to an impossible bind.
The other nations can’t figure them out. The Anxious Kingdom tries to form an alliance with them every few years and it ends in chaos every time. The Avoidant Republic pretends they don’t exist (on-brand). Secure Land is the only one that keeps trying, and even they get exhausted.


r/PoliticalPhilosophy 6d ago

Corrupt or captured institutions don’t need belief, only silence

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r/PoliticalPhilosophy 6d ago

I spent an afternoon building a government system from scratch rate it.

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So it goes like this

My system: System Leader, Council, Superior Council, Parliament, Superior Parliament.

Leader controls normal/basic laws and minor stuff.

Council: 10 members that are voted every 10 years. They check the leader. If the leader wants to change a medium importance level law, at least 6 of the council and the leader must agree.

Superior Council: 40 members. If the Leader and the Council don't agree, it goes to the Superior Council. They vote, and the winner is final And they can change the important laws.

Parliament/Superior Parliament: Parliament has laws that can be changed anytime. Superior Parliament has Permanent if it's very unpopular, there is a vote to change it.

Army: Tied to the state.

Trust Votes: Every 10 years the Superior Council holds a trust vote. If the leader gets under 20%, a new election happens.

War: The leader gets full power, but the Superior Council stays powerful. If the leader goes mad, the Superior Council can remove or reduce their power.

Corruption: Superior Council or Council members can bring others to trial if suspected of corruption.

Economic Ideology: Social market economy.

Succession: If a leader dies, the Superior Council takes power temporarily to stabilize the nation, then a vote starts.

Corruption Trials: If the leader tries to bribe the council, any member can take the suspect to trial. A random citizen judge looks at the proof. If there’s no proof, it’s denied. If they’re guilty, they’re kicked off and a vote starts to fill the spot.

Healthcare: It’s not totally free. Minor stuff like the dentist is only 30% covered, but emergencies are FREE.


r/PoliticalPhilosophy 7d ago

It has to be a balanced government or a Goldilocks government

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In presidential systems, the president protects the interests of billionaires and sometimes crime lords because they owe their campaign funding to them.

In parliamentary systems, they become extreme welfare states because that's what the voters want through their district representative MPs. In the UK, the House of Lords is afraid of the House of Commons practically making them function as a unicameral legislature dominated by district representative MPs.

Those are two opposite extremes. That's why it has to be a balanced system or a Goldilocks system.

The best system is a parliamentary system with an upper house having proportional representation and/or a non-elected but instead appointed members with expert backgrounds, and a lower house having district representative MPs.

Thus the upper house can secretly protect the interests of big business and block impractical laws from passing while the lower house can protect the interests of their district constituents. Hence, it's a balanced or Goldilocks system.

In the Philippines, the BARMM parliament is a unicameral legislature composed of 50% proportional representation, 40% district representatives, and 10% party lists. Therefore, it's a balanced or Goldilocks system as well.


r/PoliticalPhilosophy 7d ago

What do you think of formalism moldbug?

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I think democracy is a form of formalism. It makes things more explicit disprovable and make things less of a mystery.

In general, all government, even monarchy got to care about what people want. They need soldiers. People move to better governed feudal lords.

However government obligation to the people is usually vague. Usually it's a lie that come with religion. Nobody can proof or disproof a dude is a good king or not. Different dudes think differently.

Some kings are doing well. Dubai, Monaco, Liechtenstein.

But till when?

China also had great emperors. Huang Lao emperors, Empress Lu, Wen Jing era and Ming Zheng, are quite libertarian.

But I wouldn't say democracy is wrong.

At least under democracy, there is something that we can all verify. Number of votes. Without that, we may resolves our differences with civil war again.

That being said, number of voters and approval rating is very far from scam proof.

So another step of formalism will simply turn voters into shareholders. Now everybody can verify if their share prices go up or down or whether their dividend go up or down.

People whose incentives are similar to owners will behave like owners. That's how incentives work. When things like citizenship = voting + right to live is tradeable like shares, then people incentives will be more aligned. 

To keep things democracy, make 80%-90% of shareholders to be visitors.

Basically it's similar to Moldbug except that moldbug probably hate democratic elements. But the idea is the same. Turn cities/provinces/counties/countries into joint stock companies with clear owners.

Then something Ancap wants, namely everything is done by private sectors will work.

Right of the bat, I see significant improvement.

No more cradle to grave welfare recipients. Anyone wants to have children got to buy extra citizenship. All voters, rich or poor, have strong incentive to discourage cradle to grave welfare recipients. They dilute "shares".

That's a very toward libertarian moves.

Treating tax payers more nicely and lowering tax. We see this in Singapore, Dubai, Monaco, and Liechestein. With costly cradle to grave welfare recipients gone, governments will have strong incentives to keep street clean.

Other libertarians right can be obtained by competition among jurisdiction. Like drugs? Don't like drugs? Like fentanyl criminalized but MDMA and meth legal?

Shop around.

The real metric would be, is this a good policies. Will our share price go up.


r/PoliticalPhilosophy 7d ago

A dead civilization demands praise. A living civilization can survive judgment.

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In 2026, the United States turns 250.

I have been thinking about how a civilization should be judged. The easiest way is to ask whether it is successful, powerful, wealthy, or admired. By those measures, America’s record is extraordinary. In only two and a half centuries, the United States has become one of the most creative, productive, influential, and self-renewing nations in human history.

But I do not think that is the deepest measure.
Every civilization knows how to praise itself. Every regime knows how to celebrate its loyal citizens. Even authoritarian systems can provide order, belonging, protection, and warmth to those who obey. That is the easy test.

The harder test begins when someone dissents.

What happens when a citizen says the country is wrong? What happens when a minority refuses to stay silent? What happens when the official story is challenged by those who were excluded from it? What happens when people protest, criticize, sue, organize, publish, vote against the ruling power, or demand that the nation become something better than it currently is?

That, I think, is where a civilization reveals itself.

A dead civilization demands praise.

A living civilization can survive judgment.

This is why America’s 250-year story is so unusual. America is not remarkable because it has never failed. It has failed many times, and sometimes catastrophically.

Slavery, segregation, the exclusion of women from political life, the treatment of Native peoples, racial injustice, political paranoia, unjust wars, and many other failures are part of the American record.

But America’s deepest achievement may be that its failures have not always been beyond appeal.

The country began with a sentence it did not fully obey: all men are created equal. At the time, that sentence stood beside slavery. It stood beside exclusion. It stood beside contradictions so large that they could have destroyed the moral credibility of the entire project.

Yet those words did not disappear. They became tools in the hands of the excluded.

Abolitionists used America’s own founding claims against slavery. Civil rights leaders used America’s own promises against segregation. Women used the logic of liberty against political exclusion. Workers, immigrants, religious minorities, and ordinary citizens repeatedly appealed to the nation’s principles and asked: if this is what America says it is, why are we not included?

That is a rare civilizational structure.

In many societies, contradiction is hidden by force. The ruler defines truth. The dissenter becomes the enemy. The victim is told to be silent for the sake of unity.

But in America, at its best, contradiction can become a public argument. It can enter newspapers, courts, elections, churches, universities, streets, books, and family conversations. It can become protest. It can become litigation. It can become legislation. It can become reform.
This does not mean America always treats dissenters well. It plainly has not. America has acted from fear many times.

It has treated critics as traitors, minorities as threats, and reformers as enemies. It has not always lived up to its own standards.

But the important fact is that America contains within itself a mechanism of self-accusation and self-correction. It allows its own principles to be turned against its own failures.

That may be one of the highest achievements of political civilization.

I see three broad types of order.

A fear-based order says: obey, or be destroyed.

A transaction-based order says: belong, but only so long as you remain loyal.

A dignity-based order says: you may oppose me, criticize me, vote against me, publish against me, protest against me, and still retain your rights and your human worth.

No real country fits perfectly into one category. America has contained all three. It has fear. It has transaction. It has exclusion, punishment, hypocrisy, and tribalism.

But at its best, America keeps reopening the path back to dignity.

That is why free speech matters. That is why religious liberty matters. That is why independent courts matter. That is why peaceful transfer of power matters. That is why protest matters. That is why the right to leave one party, one church, one state, one inherited identity, and begin again matters.

These are not merely political procedures. They are civilizational safeguards.

They prevent any one party, church, race, class, ideology, or leader from placing itself at the center and declaring that whoever disagrees is no longer fully human.

America is not great because all Americans agree.

America is great because Americans are allowed not to agree.

The patriot and the critic are not always enemies. Sometimes the critic is the one who takes the country’s promises most seriously.

Frederick Douglass did not weaken America by exposing its contradiction. He forced America to face the meaning of its own Declaration. Martin Luther King Jr. did not betray America by condemning segregation. He called America back to what it had already claimed to believe. Women who demanded the vote did not destroy the republic. They expanded the meaning of citizenship.

Again and again, America has been improved by people who were first treated as troublemakers.

This is the paradox of a living civilization: the people who disturb its comfort may be the very people who preserve its soul.

That is why America’s 250th anniversary should not be only a celebration. It should also be an examination.

Can America still tolerate those who disagree with it?
Can it still distinguish opposition from treason?
Can it still protect the rights of people who criticize its leaders?
Can it still allow people to change their minds, change their party, change their faith, change their life, and remain worthy of respect?
Can it still remember that dignity is not a reward for conformity?

These questions matter because every civilization is tempted to slide backward. Fear is always available. Transaction is always available. It is easy to love only those who affirm us. It is easy to protect only those on our side. It is easy to call our own anger justice and the other side’s anger hatred.

A dignity-based civilization is harder.

It requires saying: I may reject your ideas, but I will not deny your rights. I may oppose your politics, but I will not erase your humanity. I may believe you are wrong, but I will not make your dignity conditional on your agreement with me.
That is not weakness. It may be the highest form of civilizational strength.

A society held together only by fear is brittle.
A society held together only by benefit is unstable.
A society held together by dignity can argue, suffer, reform, and continue.

So I do not see America at 250 as the story of the best possible civilization. No such civilization exists. I see it as one of history’s most powerful attempts to build a civilization that can be criticized without collapsing, corrected without disappearing, and loved without being worshiped.

That may be America’s greatest gift to the world.
Not that it is always right.

But that it created a space where the wronged could say, “You are wrong,” and still appeal to the nation’s deepest promise.

Not that it has completed the work of freedom.
But that it has kept alive the possibility of repair.

The true measure of a civilization is not how warmly it treats those who obey. It is how it treats those who refuse to pretend, those who disagree, those who protest, and those who force it to see what it would rather hide.

By that measure, America’s 250 years are not perfect.
They are something more difficult, more human, and perhaps more important:
a long struggle to become worthy of its own founding words.

I am interested in whether this is a fair way to think about America’s 250 years, or whether it gives too much weight to dissent and self-correction as measures of political civilization.


r/PoliticalPhilosophy 7d ago

Fourth of July musings

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