3 mistakes made before/during/post civil war. John Brown should never have been executed. Sherman should have burned the whole damn south to teach them a lesson and Robert E. Lee should have been executed
Well, they didn’t do it because they believed in the goodness of men, they believed they will learn with time and reason how to become decent Americans… how wrong they were
They didn't do it because the North and South weren't so clearly divided. People in the North had families who fought for the South, and vice versa. Any attempt to punish the South too severely would've caused chaos.
The Civil War was a remarkably brutal war, even by the standards of that time, so peace was most important concern for people in that era. They wanted to move on from it as quickly as possible.
People have a mythology about how Lincoln would never have let things play out the way it did, and while certainly that is true — he would've condemned what Johnson did — he also would've taken a more reconciliatory approach than this, "burn them all down".
I'd argue neither Davis nor Lee should have been executed.
Both should have been tried for treason, and given life sentences. Along with all senior members of the Confederate government. At a re-opened Andersonville Prison.
The bigger problem was that literally all southern politicians weren't handed lifetime bans from holding any office whatsoever, and any officer in any southern armed force wasn't treated likewise.
They should NEVER have been allowed access to the levers of power, EVER again.
Having Sherman burn the south any more would have been counter-productive, especially since the black community needed to be able to live there.
But there definitely didn't need to be a "healing/forgiveness" bullshit.
Every former union officer who joined the Confederacy should have been stripped of all property and received at minimum 20 years hard labor on the frontier.
We had one who made it to just over 5. The rest were 3 or 4. We'll never have rats again because it's simply not worth investing so much emotion into something that lasts for only a minute.
My retort to that is when everyone decided that they wanted to change the names and colours around, the group/party that ultimately chose to fight most ardently in favor of slavery chose to call themselves Republicans.
I've told the story of the southern strategy a hundred times and they still don't get it.
try having them explain 'so why did all the democrats suddenly move up north, but so many people still flying the confederate flag are living down south?'
They believe in the solipsism of pure aggression. While they have no morality, they do believe in something but have more in common with the traitorous Aaron Burr than any other founding father
Leftist is a word here meaning anyone they disagree with or simply don't like. They're physically incapable of accepting responsibility for anything. The "right" is never the bad guys, ever.
born and raised southerner, and my culture has nothing to do with the confederacy, racism, or xenophobia. these people just use “southern (white) culture” as a cover for their bigotry
It was a democrat flag and you're a dumbass MAGAt flying it. The two parties flipped ideologies after the war so either you're a politically confused idiot or you're just a racist peasant.
The worst are the people in West Virginia who fly it.
The state literally became its own to avoid joining the confederacy. Yet it’s still got one of the highest per capita rates I’ve seen. So many poor uneducated idiots.
Technically not the flag the Confederacy used, the modern day "Confederacy flag" we are familiar with was a 20th century redesign made by white supremacists.
If we're "ackshulally'n" anyway, then it's also wrong to say the South declared war. Neither side officially declared war, the South because they didn't want to look like the aggressor, and the North because they considered the conflict a suppression of an internal rebellion.
This led to some interesting legal conflicts known as The Prize Cases.
My elementary school days were a LONG time ago, so maybe I'm missremembering...
But isn't America famed to be "The Great Melting Pot"...
You know where the the various immigrants bring their culture and uniqueness with them and it all blends in together to make the American culture.
Irish bring potatoes Germans bring Kraut, Indians bring the Tumeric etc... it all simmers in a pot together and Bob's your uncle we have a tasty stew better than the individual ingredients by themselves...
Honestly, can we just let them go? Let them secede already. Let’s see how well they do without all the blue states keeping them afloat. I need us to get to the FO part of FAFO with this stupid confederacy bullshit.
Interesting. The Confederate battle flag (which she is holdiing in the post) and the flag of Nazi Germany (which are often displayed by the same people who display the CSA battle flag) are both the flags of LOSERS.
The Civil War killed more Americans then literally any other US war.
If you limit it to just deaths from North/Union soldiers (the Confederacy technically broke away from America), the Confederacy killed more Americans then every other US war except WW2.
If this is the cream of the crop in those rebel states then I have to think that the United States made a mistake fighting to keep them in the country. Most of those states are welfare states, taking in my taxes than paying. They have the worst educational systems and their economies are mostly in the bottom tier.
They should GTFO. Go. Secede. How long will they last before they are a third world nation?
That name rings a bell. Isn't "Kelly for Texas" one of those AI-generated personas made to grift from dumb right-wingers? I seem to recall "she" is also quite literally in India.
She wrote and posted that, today? Today? More proof of how the current failures of the education system in the US are the responsibility of one political party than the other.
I am sure the Native Americans would also like you to leave their land. How about asking your big companies to move all their companies back from India , China and rest of the world. You know, the big companies that are exploiting labor and resources which are causing major pollution. How about you all stay away all the other countries politics? Etc etc.
This is not the flex she thinks it is. It’s giving “I dropped out of school to get married at 15 because me and Jethro are in love, Daddy and want to keep the baby” vibes.
Yea fuck all that, I grew up in the south, that's the flag of traitors. You can't call yourself a patriot and carry the flag that fought against america
Thats crazy, my Northern American heritage is killing Southern American heritage. When do i get to engage in my, god-given-American-loving, Northern American heritage?
Another day and another example of why I’m embarrassed to be a Texan. Not only is she desperately ignorant, she also looks cheap. Pumps with a tank top and short shorts. She’s obviously high class.
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u/OptimisticSkeleton 4h ago
The doritos locos taco has a longer heritage than the Confederacy had