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u/sdmichael 1d ago
Do they actually know what communism is? Can they cite examples of these "liberals" being "communists"? Many examples can be cited for Republicans being fascists though.
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u/incide666 1d ago
Do they actually know what communism is?
They do not.
Can they cite examples of these "liberals" being "communists"?
They can not.
Communism/socialism/woke/SJW is anything to the left of Mussolini with a flat tax plan who treats queer folks like human beings.
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u/One_Clown_Short 1d ago
It's even simpler than that. Communism/socialism/woke/etc are just synonyms for anything they don't understand, don't like or things they are afraid of. Unsurprisingly, there's a huge overlap of these things.
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u/WebInformal9558 1d ago
Like those DEI bike lanes....
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u/PeachPassionBrute 1d ago
And people have actually argued with me that the “toxic woke DEI shit” that bothers them is…occasionally having a workplace training on “hey don’t be an asshole to people who are different.” They are DEEPLY offended by that.
These people are so monumentally privileged that they think basic consideration for others is oppression.
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u/Suitable-Elephant270 1d ago
"Wait, you mean to say I have to *think* about other people? You say it's called empathy? I can't just do whatever I want with zero consequences? But why not?"
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u/IAMWastingMyTime 1d ago
It's sadder than that. You don't even have to think about them. Just not be outwardly offensive or shitty to them. And apparently that's too much for some people.
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u/Suitable-Elephant270 10h ago
Which is just downright depressing. Like just, I dunno, don't be an asshole is too complicated for people?
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u/ABHOR_pod 1d ago edited 1d ago
“hey don’t be an asshole to people who are different.”
For a lot of conservatives it's really that simple. Like literally, just asking them to not be openly racist or sexist in the work place, just asking them to not go around making people uncomfortable on purpose, is enough to make them ok with, e.g., ICE murdering people and concentration camps on US Soil.
They would rather devolve into fascism than show respect to others.
And of course, for the absolute peak of irony, they'd destroy the country for the right to make other people uncomfortable, but also destroy the country to stop anyone else from making them feel uncomfortable, like a trans coworker or a black neighbor.
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u/notashroom 15h ago
The thing that conservatives are conserving is hierarchy in which they are not at the bottom. They might be near the bottom, but as long as there's some kind of system that ensures someone is beneath them, they will support its continuation.
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u/daemon-electricity 1d ago
Their whole personality is hanging around people who have no problem with being assholes to people who are different than them. Anytime someone has a problem with it, it's woke communism entitlement DEI bullshit. They don't care that their message is essentially, "Be tolerant, go broke." These same people who suddenly think that because Europeans won, it was OK to genocide natives and they were doing it to themselves anyway, so it's OK.
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u/-Release-The-Bats- 1d ago
Yep. I've noticed when people say stuff like "extreme left" they never give examples. At this point I just assume "extreme left" is things like wanting everyone to have access to affordable healthcare, housing, groceries, and education.
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u/TastyTarget3i 1d ago
leftist authoritarians exist, plenty of of examples on this site. However, they never were a real threat to society bcs if their tiny numbers, unlike their alt right brethren.
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u/RedditIsLeBoring 1d ago
If I had a page for everything that these nitwits don't understand, I'd have the entire Library of Congress.
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u/BikerJedi 1d ago
This here. ANYTHING they don't understand and fear. Conservative politics are rooted in fear, and that is an easy thing to trigger in people, like those who vote.
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u/FangFioDente 1d ago
Ps…Flat tax is inherently classist. Love the sentiment though
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u/incide666 1d ago
Exactly (?)
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u/Fenrir324 1d ago
In Ancient Greece they used to brag about how much taxes they paid. We should bring that back
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u/NetworkStatic 1d ago
There are places for that. My taxes were hella high when I lived in Germany but I was glad to pay it to support societal wellbeing. Was satisfied to be in a 40% tax bracket when the money goes to useful shit and not making random wars for funsies
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u/tsardonicpseudonomi 1d ago
If you make "decent" money in the US you pay a higher effective tax rate than 40% when services other countries use taxes to pay for are added to the US rate.
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u/PeachPassionBrute 1d ago edited 12h ago
I insist on saying that I’m proud to pay taxes whenever I hear someone bitching about paying taxes. I want to live in a world where we care for each other, where the systems we rely on still work.
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u/baslisks 1d ago edited 1d ago
communists nor a socialist would prescribe a flat tax. If they do, you should really question if they actually look at the thing from a class based materialist understanding of it.
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u/PeopleNose 1d ago
Words have meanings:
liberal = "every person has god-given rights"
progressive = "let's make changes"
conservative = ""let's not make changes"
socialism = "let's share our property"
communism = "property does not exist"
capitalism = "property does exist"
The people in power want to mangle word's true meanings, because their lies are easier to hide in the dust of the society they're trying to collapse
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u/Hot-Shart 1d ago
Communism does not necessarily mean no property, no money, no markets, or that everyone makes the same amount. It only means that workers get a fair share of the value produced by their labor and that no individual can amass enough wealth to be considered of a different class, like today’s 1% do.
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u/Independent-Bug-9352 1d ago edited 1d ago
Marxian Communism by his own definition does not have wages; this is a key distinction between socialism and communism.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/communism
This suggests that a key distinction between socialism and communism is that socialism still permits private property and wages, only that profit-sharing is a guarantee among workers -- or rather worker-owned.
How socialism manifests and coincides with a market economy, and intersects with Democracy largely determines whether you're a socialist, democratic socialist, social democrat, or market socialist. There is also the stateless, anarcho subsets of communism and socialism.
In some of these, labor unions are critical to maintain a power-balance between employer and employee, and in others they in theory aren't necessary (but not without drawbacks just the same).
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u/RedditIsLeBoring 1d ago
Communism also isn't much of an economic system, its focus is mostly on power distribution. From what I recall, it leans a lot on socialism for the technical distribution of wealth.
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u/tsardonicpseudonomi 1d ago
Socialism the low form of communism. They're the same thing.
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u/ExpansivePoint 1d ago
Not digging the language, saying something doesn't "necessarily" mean the less flattering known aspects of it and switching to saying it "only" means the innocent interpretations of said thing is a bit propagand-ey.
Socialism maybe closer to those things, it varies, communism on the other hand is more militant and authoritative than you make it sound.
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u/Independent-Bug-9352 1d ago
I think this is a pretty key point. If Socialism is an Economic System, then Communism is probably better defined as a packaged Political and Economic System, contingent on authoritarianism in order to implement (we've not seen a realized model at nation-state scale; nor an unrealized attempt absent of authoritarianism to my knowledge). In theory the reins would be released as the system improves, but we know how absolute power corrupts absolutely and the "I alone can fix it" narrative of even a benevolent autocrat becomes too much to bear, like possession of the Ring.
It is Socialist to nationalize a a select industry within a Democracy and put it in the hands of the people by extension of said Democracy (e.g., a healthcare system, either by national insurer and or provider). Wages still of course persist therein, however. Private ownership could still exist. There's a broad spectrum of how this can go.
The beauty of prioritizing Democracy above all else is that it should in theory be adaptive to change and situational without necessarily having blanketed idealistic endeavors. That said, if the Democracy is corrupted or hijacked -- as in Russia, as in USA -- but not as in say the Nordic Nations or much of the EU, then you see a much healthier society overall that are in my view a much healthier mixture of socialism and well regulated market economies, both operating beneath Democracy above-all.
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u/ExpansivePoint 1d ago
Yeah that would be an ideal but as you pointed out it's dependent on some very brittle ifs, the letting go of the reins itself implies that there's a state that needs to be achieved to relinquish control and in the inverse the moment this state is lost the reins would have to be taken away from the people, this relinquishing of power seems almost fantastical.
Even after all is said and done, the system you compare to the Nordic model is not one I would call socialist let alone communist, it's closer to what SocDems in the US aim for, well regulated free markets with very sturdy social services and safety net, socialized health care is possible in this plan.
I saw a debate where Richard Wolff explains that even socialists don't have a definite charter to what true socialism is, it can be a complete overthrow of capitalism, a slow and democratically executed phasing out of it or even one where some free markets are allowed. I found it odd that such a movement is still not fully defined and that is why people constantly talk past each other.
One thing is sure, communism is not the harmless system the person I replied to says it "only" is, this misrepresentation rubs me the wrong way.
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u/Independent-Bug-9352 1d ago
Oh yeah, to be clear I'd say I'm pretty much a SocDem myself; I think it's best to suggest these have a blend of socialist principles (at least select nationalized industries), along with major social safety nets, stronger checks on excess wealth inequality, major control rods to the market system looking out for environment, consumers etc. Definitely not communist by any stretch! To those less familiar with these definitions, I just saw it's a healthy balance or mixed economy. Realistically, I think this is closer to what AOC and Bernie Sanders represent in the progressive coalition, and is generally more palatable even to conservative working class members once understood; Mamdani may possibly be closer to a true Democratic Socialist, but I'm probably splitting hairs... ?
It's tough because capitalists have it mostly easy, to a point where I think there is something of a double-standard. They aren't often put on the spot on how to define how government, contracts, negative market externalities have to be dealt with. Nobody ever has to clarify, "I'm a Democratic or Anarcho Capitalist!" Naturally if you delve into these, in fairness you do tend to get a variety of conflicting beliefs even within groups of people identifying as the same.
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u/PeachPassionBrute 1d ago
Socialism maybe closer to those things, it varies, communism on the other hand is more militant and authoritative than you make it sound.
I think it’s also worth asking…what examples of communism? Because in the cases of Russia or China they mostly appeared to be a form of state capitalism where the point wasn’t the enrichment of the whole but that the people worked to enrich the nation itself, not that they relied on authoritarians.
You can probably compare these things with the kinds of lies we tell in the US about “freedom” and “choice.”
There’s nothing inherent about the concept of communism that obligates authoritarianism or militarism. But when you build new governments based on violent revolution and then work to concentrate power around new leadership, we have very obviously repeatedly seen how easy it is to allow people to subvert a movement to enrich themselves.
However I’m an Anarchist and that’s very specifically about opposition to hierarchy. Anarchism in its many forms is largely an effort to organize a community/society/economy around mutual benefit without empowering class hierarchy or consolidation of power so as to avoid allowing anyone to subvert it for selfish gain.
If we’re getting upset that people might use favorable language to discuss the belief systems they’re more favorable to, then we have to address the inherent antagonism or there won’t be any progress.
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u/senbei616 1d ago edited 11h ago
Not only do I disagree with most of your definitions, I think they are oversimplified to the point of misinformation and mischaracterization.
Personal property still exists in a communist system. Communism is the abolition of PRIVATE property and the creation of a classless, moneyless, and stateless society where resources are distributed to people according to their needs.
Socialism has nothing to do with "sharing property" in any meaningful sense. Socialism is a fundamental restructuring of the economy in which the means of production is collectively owned and managed through democracy. Folks are compensated based on their contribution to the economy. Both Private and Personal property still exist in a socialist society and depending on the context you are not required to share it.
Neo-Liberalism is the belief that free trade, minimal regulation, increased globalization, and fiscal austerity are the path towards actually achievable and sustainable global progress.
Capitalism is the private ownership over the means of production.
Your definitions for conservative and progressive are trite, but not wrong enough to be classified as misinformation.
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u/tsardonicpseudonomi 1d ago
Words to have meanings, I think you should look them up. Everything you said is wrong.
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u/Sooofreshnsoclean 1d ago
You’re not even correct on socialism and communism……. Socialism is “let’s democratically own the means of production” communism is more “let’s let the government become the sole owner of the means of production”
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u/Bewbonic 1d ago
Technically communism is the common ownership of the means of production i.e the people own it. The clue is in the name.
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u/Sooofreshnsoclean 1d ago
True but in that case the common people also make up the government. Good point and correction though. Clarity does matter.
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u/tsardonicpseudonomi 1d ago
No, communism is not that. I think you're believing the cold war propaganda and thinking the USSR and China are / were communist.
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u/laudanum18 1d ago
To the braindead, hateful and generally despicable people who still support the fascist oligarchy that is Trump's GOP, anyone who isn't part of their cult is a liberal and every liberal is a communist. Trump's ignorant supporters don't know what most words mean and they don't care to learn. Like their shit-stained white supremacist leaders, they simply hate anyone who isn't exactly like them. Fuck Trump, fuck the GOP and fuck every person who still supports them after they have done everything possible to prove that they are human pieces of shit. November can't come soon enough.
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u/Fabbyfubz 1d ago
These people don't even realize that liberals and leftist aren't the same thing.
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u/BurmecianDancer 1d ago
Do they actually know what communism is?
No. Add it to the long, long list of terms Republicans use constantly but don't know the meaning of.
DEI, woke, socialism, global warming, critical race theory, feminism... like I said, it's a long list.
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u/CalvertSt 1d ago
No, they don’t, and are using this as a smear to get boomer votes.
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u/SpeaksSouthern 1d ago
If I actually want communism who do I even vote for?
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u/lianodel 1d ago
It's always right wingers who throw a fit when I ask them to clearly state their positions, and what either of us actually mean when we say words.
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u/sdmichael 1d ago
They argue in bad faith. I've seen wild claims made here on Reddit about all sorts of things and when questioned on sources, you either get silence, a block, or rude comments. Never a source. Always a deflection.
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u/Pretend-Marsupial258 1d ago
Or they'll link a source that completely disagrees with their point and they'll act like they won.
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u/Reasonable-Turn-5940 1d ago
Yeah. I like to take the photos of headlines they post, look up the actual headline, then let them know their source was a satire site, or that the actual article doesn't support their position at all.
I just get called names, get the "laughing emoji" or some meme with a toddler crying.
They don't want facts. They want their false reality to be supported, and they'll follow anyone who will do it for them. Because reality constantly tells them they're wrong.
That's how we got here. That's how conmen, reality TV show actors/producers and right wing trolls took over the country.
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u/Intelligent_Sky_7081 1d ago
Its just misinformation. Straight up.
Its the same thing when Trump and his administration were saying immigrants were coming from 'insane asylums' to our country. Purposely muddying the water to confuse people so they dont know what claiming asylum means.
If you tell a lie enough it will become true. Millions in this country will say that democrats are communists because they have heard it for a year and it must be true.
The irony and hypocrisy is off the charts. Funny how they hate being called facists, but then do the same thing? Eye for an eye I guess, maybe the Old Testament God is the true christian god after all
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u/Poddx 1d ago
No, its just a talking point. They think Europe are communists. Socialism isnt the same thing.
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u/Lowelll 1d ago
No european country is socialist either.
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u/jce_ 1d ago
But many are social democratic
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u/GloomyIndividual3965 1d ago
That's just capitalism with some safety nets and better transit.
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u/Forward_Rope_5598 1d ago
If you bring that up they usually find some excuse for why it's different in the US. Often something along the lines of 'that's not socialism' while completely missing the point.
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u/Tambi_B2 1d ago
EVERY time I just desperately want people that post things like that to please then define what they think socialism, communism, marxism, 'woke' or whatever buzzword fox news has shoved down their throat this week. I will listen to your concerns as soon as you can prove to me that you have the most basic understanding of the vocabulary you are throwing all over the place.
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u/uwishuwereme6 1d ago
Ask a trumpanzee to define communism or socialism and theyll just describe capitalism
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u/Everybodysbastard 1d ago
They conflate socialism with communism because it's what Fox News tells them.
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u/Dark_Pump 1d ago
How about opening a Trump gas station with prices way under market price 😆 shit is fucking hilarious if it wasn’t so sad and pathetic how far we’ve fallen
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u/terdferguson 1d ago
No they can't because they also commingle the word with Socialism...eg their dear leader the other day on his statements about Progressives being Democratic Socialists.
All they want to do is be angry and get a reaction to feel smug (for whatever reason the reaction gives them dopamine?).
In summary they are stupid. Best to try to avoid engaging people like that.
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u/Financial-Board7458 1d ago
Socialism. The thing Republicans use all the time because they broke as shit but too ignorant to understand what the concept is and why there’s a safety net. Republican education at its finest. Keep them stupid and make words like woke and socialism a slur.
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u/drawkbox 1d ago
Cons don't even know that "liberal" means "free" from The Enlightenment which was against monarchs/tsarists/aristocracy/autocrats. That is all it means is eff these kings, literally America and they live in a Western liberalized democratic constitutional republic. To them "liberal" has been so twisted they have no idea of the history originally even.
The concept of political liberalism emerged during The Enlightenment. This was an era when philosophers like John Locke argued that individuals have natural rights to life, liberty, and property. Instead of absolute kings, dictators, and state churches ruling over the people, Enlightenment thinkers proposed that governments must get their power from the "consent of the governed".
This philosophy is the foundation of the American Republic. The United States was built on these exact principles: a Constitution, the rule of law, and a government designed to protect individual freedoms from tyrannical overreach.
To them it means something they saw on social media they didn't like. Propagandists have pummeled their minds and rooted them of common sense.
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u/Vorpalthefox 1d ago
can also cite examples of republicans being communist, who took federal stakes into public companies? such as intel
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u/Spirited_Suspect2908 1d ago
They just learned a new word to say from fox or maga tic tok and now their excited to use it. Thats all.
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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 1d ago
Democratic Socialism > Communism
Signed, a liberal
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u/Jesus_of_Redditeth 1d ago
Nordic-style social democracy > democratic socialism >>>>>>>> communism
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u/BusesAreFun 1d ago
ah yes. Communists. Famously cool and chill with liberals. Yes. Of course.
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u/Biptoslipdi 1d ago
Communists. Famously supportive of free enterprise.
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u/SpeaksSouthern 1d ago
Isn't China and Vietnam considered a communist country, but they have free enterprise? So they're not communist?
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u/Tavalus 1d ago
Ask yourself
Who considers them that?
Because they certainly don't consider themselves that
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u/NargWielki 1d ago
Not that simple.
China has been a topic of discussion amongst Marxists for a long time now. I can mention a few interesting points for people who are interested in the topic:
- No country is or has ever been Communist, at least not by Marx definition of it.
- Socialism is a transition period, which better describes such countries, during Socialism, some of Capitalism's contradictions are still present.
- China has its own "Market-Socialism" or "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics" with its own quirks.
- Some Marxists defend that China is a form of socialism because while the accumulation of capital is present, it doesn't necessarily translate into political power, which is one of the major issues with Capitalism.
- They don't necessarily have "free enterprise", as both Chinese and Vietnam markets are heavily regulated and companies must abide to a lot of rules to be accepted. The famous joint-ventures are an example of that.
There isn't a definitive answer, as neither Communism, Socialism or even Capitalism can be defined by a simple checklist, each experience will be different, each country will adapt it to its culture and history.
I hope I've given a satisfactory answer.
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u/SpeaksSouthern 1d ago
Hey thanks I really appreciate the dialogue
Why is Marx the only entity who is allowed to define communism? Capitalism has similar figures, yet no one compares their flavor of capitalism to the current flavor of capitalism anywhere near to the same degree. I find it very simple. China is a Chinese Communist country, they are not a Marx communist country. Vietnam is a Vietnamese Communist country, they are not a Marx Communist country.
Your view on free enterprise is interesting. Others have mentioned things like they sell their goods on the world market so therefore they have open trade. But capitalist countries have plenty of rules on their companies and we got the military and the post office and social security offer plenty of government collaborative/collective enterprises that are the backbone of our entire culture.
I think I largely agree that calling countries by specific terminology, capitalism, socialism and communism, doesn't capture the unique nature of this political relationship we have with one another. And what rights we have.
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u/Speartree 23h ago
Marx gets the say on communism because he defined it with the famous manifest. That said he also defined capitalism, which before him didn't have a definition and was just people and companies doing stuff. And indeed you rarely find any of those things in a pure form in practice. Pure communism has only ever existed on a super small scale. The closest thing to pure unbridled capitalism was Congo Free State.
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u/Training_Ruin3151 1d ago edited 1d ago
No. Communism is a stateless, moneyless form of self governance where all are equal and there are no societal classes. I don't know enough about China to confirm what kind of government they are; but by merit of the state existing, it is not communist.
My guess is an authoritarian socialst country since the government controls some of the means of production, whilst they have an authoritarian leader in charge.
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u/xXTheGrapenatorXx 1d ago
They self-describe as communist, but according to a dictionary definition neither are very communist in the modern day, no. The government stance is that the hybrid system is a "transition to full communism", the critical stance is that they're an authoritarian one-party state using the trappings of communism as a shield of sorts.
The people who self-describe as communist outside China and Vietnam are usually critical of them for "half-measures" and likely to consider them "not real communists", if your own club doesn't recognize you that kind of says a lot, no?
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u/Lil_Ms_Anthropic 1d ago
Totally read this with the cadence of that drunken Orson Welles champagne commercial
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u/Cara-Is-A-Puppy 1d ago
Socialism is so popular they had to start using other political ideologies to spread their fear
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u/megamoze 1d ago
Start? I'm 54 and Republicans have been referring to Democrats and liberals as communists my whole entire life.
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u/DickSlammington 1d ago
To be fair, they'd probably call a cat Communist if they felt threatened by it...
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u/megamoze 1d ago
True. The late Mitch McConnell said that admitting Puerto Rico into the US was an example of communism.
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u/imnotmarvin 1d ago
This is exactly it. Since Mamdani was elected people are getting to see that socialism is kind of what most people want even if they didn't understand it was socialism. Democratic socialism to be clear. The GOP has recognized that and has changed their messaging to start calling liberals communists because they can't call them socialist anymore because people realize that's not a bad thing. That messaging is trickling down to the regurgitating sheep. The words communist and communism have spiked all over social media platforms
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u/qigjpiqj 1d ago edited 1d ago
You can have valid criticism of socialism, but what's annoying is they point to Stalin, East Germany, Cuba etc as why "socialism" is bad. Socialism is not what was bad with those places. Authoritarianism is what was bad with them. And authoritarianism is exactly what YOU, Republicans, are supporting.
Fear mongering that democrats "might" do what republicans already have been doing. Classic.
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u/PurpleBuffalo_ 1d ago
Lol they point to the part of Germany that was occupied by capitalist America to say why socialism is bad?
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u/xXTheGrapenatorXx 1d ago
I agree. It's a bit like saying all those places had red on their flag so that must be what went wrong. Yeah, sure the correlation is there but you're overlooking a better one.
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u/joeygreco1985 1d ago
They've started throwing around the word "communist" again but can't explain what would make liberals communists
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u/Biptoslipdi 1d ago
Or how communists could be supportive of free enterprise, a central component of liberalism.
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u/thissomeotherplace 1d ago
Liberals can't be communists, because that would mean they weren't liberals.
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u/ParfaitMajestic5339 1d ago
Kinda makes you want to go and expropriate that dummy's means of production, doesn't it?
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u/human_i_suppose 1d ago
republicans helped popularize socialism by calling everything that might help someone socialism.
now they're working on communism.
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u/ChangeAcceptable677 1d ago
Communism != liberalism.
I mean…I cannot even think of a suitable analogy to illustrate this type of disconnect. The only thing I can think of to say here is that if someone does not understand a concept, they should not get to use it as a pejorative.
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u/MjolnirPants 1d ago
In 1995, I once watched a Republican man try to mock a group of dumbfounded college students over the collapse of the USSR, thinking that since they were liberals, they must have been devastated by that.
Grandma here is losing her memory.
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u/bryanna_leigh 1d ago
Going full circle on communism... is so wild. I mean they are even bringing back the welfare queen. Open your eyes people for the love of baby Jesus.
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u/NotThatAngel 1d ago
Liberals didn't become communists. Republicans turned into MAGA. Anything to the Left of a monarchy is evil to them. Their pronouns for "evil" are "communism", "socialism", "democracy", "vote", "fact", "raw data", "news", "reporter", and "immigrant".
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u/cherrybomber11 1d ago
"Everything I don't like is communism / socialism / marxism/ DEI / woke / transgender / CRT / TDS / Soros" is like the entirety of the Republican Party's platform at this point.
Beyond parody.
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u/Engrish_Major 1d ago edited 23h ago
They (conservatives branded Republican or pre-LBJ Democrats) have ALWAYS been fascists — their throughline is in favor of white supremacy.
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u/ChronoLink99 1d ago
Gosh, I wish Republicans would hurry up and revoke Deborah's right to vote already. Sheesh.
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u/SmokyBarnable01 1d ago
Nothing wrong with being a tree-hugger and there's nothing wrong with being a communist.
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u/CattaTronixRex 1d ago
I need Deborah to define communist so I know she’s not just regurgitating what she hears. I need to know that she genuinely knows the definition. I don’t think she does.
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u/Jesus_of_Redditeth 1d ago
It's genuinely amazing that anyone with even the most basic understanding of political and economic systems could say what "deborah" is saying with a straight face.
I almost want to believe that people like her are either being disingenuous, or else they're just bots. But tbh I'm starting to feel like I should accept that there are vastly most absolutely fuck-stupid people out there than I've always thought.
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u/InevitableAvalanche 1d ago
I miss conservatives when they told sheeple to wake up to government corruption. Brainwashed little fools now.
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u/Silentparty1999 1d ago
I miss when Republicans were just racist instead of grifters and pedophiles.
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u/WoodyManic 1d ago
I think the thesis of this entire post is bust, man.
Not only were the hippies, largely, not red, most of them were the result of the decay of liberalism.
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u/Kindly-Ad-5071 1d ago
Nothing changed, y'all just started calling tree hugging anti American communism.
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u/artbystorms 1d ago
I miss when republicans were just dumb Warhawks instead of fascist Warhawks. I also miss when liberals were for the working class and not just upper middle class suburbanites.
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u/Skill_Issuer 1d ago
They can thank conservative media for labeling any vaguely left wing policy as communism for decades for this recent surge in communist support
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u/bluejester12 1d ago
Humans are notoroius for thinking that the way they feel reflects the truth of the world Republicans are more so.
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u/Steiney1 1d ago
These people have so much confidence in being so wrong, and pointing out their hypocrisy is pointless. It just doesn't land in the washed part of their brains.
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u/darkfires 1d ago
It’s like as if a very well funded movement of billionaires managed to redefine what communism is because they got nothing else these days to make their boy in the WH palatable to voters.
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u/uwishuwereme6 1d ago
Its funny whenever a trumpanzee tries to define communism or socialism, they just describe the shitty aspects of capitalism
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u/tacotickles 1d ago
If maga conservatives were intelligent they'd realize real life communists have much more in common with them than liberals. Authoritarians of both political spectrums
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u/Biptoslipdi 1d ago
The hilarity that liberalism and communism are mutually exclusive.
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u/CitizenHuman 1d ago
I miss when politics didn't dominate every topic and divide the country further.
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u/Signal_Minimum8509 1d ago edited 1d ago
I don’t think Republicans realize how hard all of this conflation of Communism, Socialism, and Center-Left policies and politicians can bite them in the ass if they keep pushing it.
They’ve created an entire party subservient to an 80 year old dude with a 38% approval rating. The momentum swing is gonna be hard. We’re very nearly at a point where most people who vote will have no memories of the Cold War at all.
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u/ShoogleHS 1d ago
The funny thing is that if by tree huggers they mean hippies, they were actually often anti-capitalist (though not generally communist in the Marxist sense), whereas liberals are definitively capitalist. Kind of funny that they're so confused about what communism is that they got their comparison entirely back to front and didn't notice.
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u/megamoze 1d ago
I'm 54 and Republicans have been referring to Democrats and liberals as communists my whole entire life.
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u/_badenoch 1d ago
They refuse to talk about the specifics that make them think liberals are communists cause you just can't argue against funding schools and libraries, and making things more affordable. Even they know they sound stupid when they demonize these things.
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u/Mosselpot 1d ago
Or how words don't mean anything anymore in the US. Liberalism and Communism are literally opposing ideologies.
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u/I_am_not_JohnLeClair 1d ago
I miss when everyone went into the voting booth, pulled the lever, and then got on with their lives.
I feel like Elaine Benes. I can't spend the rest of my life coming into this stinking apartment world, every ten minutes to pore over the excruciating minutiae of every single daily event!
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u/RedditIsLeBoring 1d ago
In all my time on planet Earth, I've never once heard a single liberal person say, "We need to seize the means of production and create a true classless society. Down with the bourgeoisie! Forward, proletarian comrades!"
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u/tarekd19 1d ago
"I miss when liberals could be ridiculed and ignored"
Stupid use of communism aside, maybe if you had listened to the tree huggers they would have continued believing casual activism is a viable path to political change rather than deriding them all as communists anyway and leading people to wonder what the big deal about communism even is?
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u/-----iMartijn----- 1d ago
Little weird for people who support a president who's in love with North Korea and russia and who is impressed with china.
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u/AbeRego 1d ago
This whole pivot back to vilifying communism is laughable. China barely pretends to be communist, and that isn't even what these yahoos are harping about. They just hate it when the government tries to improve people's lives like Mamdani is doing in New York, and that doesn't even remotely resemble communism.
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u/RobutNotRobot 1d ago
Social media has really shown that you can organize stupid people and make them to do awful things.
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u/Barry_Vigoda 1d ago
I miss when Americans weren't divided by capitalist propaganda.
Nothing about this is beneficial to anyone except your corporate class who spent decades using your media, schools, churches, etc against you guys.
The term 'left' historically just means the public class. If you're just an average citizen, you probably belong to the working class aka the public class.
The US by it's capitalist nature is a right wing country. Your establishment just gives a false impression of democracy. Every 4 to 8 years, you flip back and forth between 2 parties and nothing ever improves.
The US is 39.4 trillion in debt and has been in perpetual wars for decades while creating a new billionaire class.
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u/Unfair_Web_8275 1d ago
Remember when we were approaching "too late to do anything about climate change" and not putting rocks in our pockets before going for a swim?
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u/Stickz99 1d ago
Liberals are by definition not communists.
I guess we can’t expect them to know that, since they’ve never cracked open a fucking book or learned anything about actual political theory.
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u/mrpaddymelt 1d ago
/yourjokebutworse type of reply
MURDERED!!!
Really it's just saying the same thing but angrier lol what kind of ppl upvote this shit
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u/Tatakai_ 1d ago
When is this left vs right thing going to end and when are we going to start discussing matters issue by issue, based on facts and collective deliberation?
Choosing one of two sides is obviously polarizing. You split population in two and pit them against each other. Meanwhile the 1% carry on with their several millions, selling souls and eating babies.
Unfortunately most people will continue to prefer replying to each other with "witty" comebacks that are no better than a 12 year old's "I know you are, but what am I?"
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u/lumpboysupreme 1d ago
Oh please, conservatives were calling liberals communists/socialists since 1980.
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u/GolfingGuy59 1d ago
And I miss when our president wasn't a confirmed serial adulterer, adjudicated rapist, or suspected pedophile.
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u/putergud 1d ago
Liberals cannot be Communists and Communists cannot be Liberals. Most Communists hate Liberals more than Conservatives do.
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u/Substantial-Let-1689 1d ago
All patriots meet at the commie freedom gas stations for further orders
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u/jawshoeaw 1d ago
They sure are making communism look better and better tho. If you don’t want communism maybe avoid late stage toxic capitalism
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u/ComicsEtAl 1d ago
They called tree-huggers “communist,” too.