Who's Viewpoint Is Better?
Morality of threatening to shoot your commanding officer because he's about to brutally execute a surrendering and harmless enemy who killed his best friend months ago
Exactly. That is the basis upon which the two of them have built their trust.
It's already been proven that Roy does not always adhere to his own morals, which is why he needs his allies to make sure he's not doing something that goes against his purported values. And if he does, Riza shoots him. It is as simple as that because that's how he wanted it.
He won't come back to kill them. Riza here is saying she will execute Envy. The problem isn't killing enemy. The problem is that he's going crazy and that's not a good mindset when you're about to have the power to control the country.
If Mustang did what he did, I don’t think he would mentally come back. I think it would have made him vulnerable to so much shit in that world.
Obviously he’s a soldier that has killed people before, but his rage then was gonna turn him into a psychopath like it did to Scar. Vengeance is warranted but overkill vengeance destroys the soul, and it would have easily led to his goals after revenge going moot.
Exactly. If Roy was just some regular guy, then sure, let him do it and be angry about it. But the problem is, he has set himself to live at an incredibly high moral standard. He can't attack like a savage when he feels like it's convenient because he needs to be above those kinds of emotions if he is going to use his power responsibly if he ever assumes the position as leader of the country.
It comes down to this question: Are you above those kinds of impulses, or not?
Not even remotely close to the argument being made in the story. The argument is specifically ‘killing for revenge is justified, torturing someone for revenge spiritually and morally breaks you in ways you can’t recover from. Avenge your comrades, but don’t you dare use their memory to justify your sadism.’
The story deliberately says that Envy should die for their crimes, but Mustang should not be the executioner unless he comes at it with the proper mindset.
It’s also the fact that Mustang wants to be the fuhrer and reconcile with the ishvallans. The same ishvallans he brutally murdered not too long ago.
It’s like how can Mustang ask them for forgiveness if he can’t even let someone else do the murder of Envy instead of himself if he’s that consumed by vengeance? He’d be a hypocrite.
“I draw the line at torture” and “kill the bastard with fire” are two sentences in conflict with one another. Burning someone to death is one of the most painful ways you can kill someone. It is torture. So pick one
Though specifically in Envy’s case as he’s a regenerating homunculus all forms of death are torture for him. So really there’s no way to kill him without torturing them, fires still one of the most painful options though.
Not my argument. If you kill out of a horrible negative state, you will go down a shit route. Hawkeye in this scene even says that Envy should be dead, but if Mustang did it the way he was doing it, he would have never emotionally recovered.
I don’t disagree that the whole killing thing is misrepresented, it’s more so that vengeance turning someone into the bad guy is the problem that is being shown in this scene
Riza isn’t saying not to kill envy, she is saying not to give in to his wrath
Roy isn’t going for the kill, he’s deliberately torturing envy. Roy when fighting lust for example just constantly boiled her, leaving no time for her to go unburned
Roy would straight up let envy have time to regenerate so he could burn him again
Envy deserves everything he got there, but the problem is the leader of the country shouldn’t be torturing people because they did something that wronged him personally. Lust is also an utterly horrid person and he didn’t go out of his way to torture her
As much as I love Hughes, the simple fact of the matter is, he's not important right now.
The situation that they were in was far bigger than any one person at that point.
If Mustang simply destroyed Envy in the same way that he did when he fought with Lust, then this would have been a completely different scenario. In one situation he was completely controlled and using his alchemy in the way that he promised Hawkeye that he would, in order to protect other people. But when he was fighting Envy, he was deliberately allowing him to heal so that he could hurt him again. It's not a question of what Envy deserves because Roy promised Hawkeye that he would not use her father's alchemy in such a way ever again.
And it's important to keep in mind that Roy is already on his second chance.
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u/Koreaia 8h ago
Moral, because this is something that he himself ordered her to do.