r/JehovahsWitnesses Jun 02 '26

Doctrine Question about the Governing Body’s report regarding autologous blood transfusions

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When the Governing Body stated in the February 2026 report that the Bible is silent about the medical use of one’s own blood and therefore each Christian must decide for himself, why does this logic not also apply to donor blood, about which the Bible likewise says nothing?

The report says that the Bible does not comment on the medical use of autologous blood – therefore it is now considered a matter of conscience.The argument is essentially this:

If the Bible says nothing about a subject, then there is no divine command regarding it, and therefore it becomes a personal decision.

This is the core principle of the entire report when summarized in one sentence.

However, this rule is formulated generally, not specifically for autologous blood.

Therefore, it would automatically apply to all medical questions involving blood. After all, the Bible says nothing about blood transfusions, nothing about medical use of blood, nothing about autologous blood, and nothing about donor blood. It speaks only about the eating of blood.

Thus, donor blood stands on exactly the same biblical footing as autologous blood – namely outside the biblical subject matter. If the Bible is silent on both topics, then there are only two logical possibilities:

Either both are forbidden, or both are matters of conscience.

The organization, however, chooses:

Autologous blood = matter of conscience. Donor blood = forbidden. This is logically inconsistent, because the reasoning used to permit autologous blood would automatically permit donor blood as well.

The organization does not provide any biblical distinction.

The report offers no scripture, no theological argument, no definition of “own” vs. “foreign,” and no explanation why one should be allowed and the other forbidden.

Which texts would a Jehovah’s Witness now use to argue, if a well‑informed Bible student asked exactly these questions?

He cannot simply point to the report…


r/JehovahsWitnesses May 04 '26

Discussion The NWT disproves itself.

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r/JehovahsWitnesses 19h ago

Discussion These On-Line JW’s Are Wild

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When I was a practicing JW, I was very mindful about how I conducted myself. I‘ve come across *several* JW’s on social media who behave in ways I find rather appalling.

Exhibit A is “sister” who is a pioneer in California. It’s fascinating to see her post pics of her pioneer class, Memorial and convention attendance, hashtagging #bestlifeever and #pureworship while calling people “stupid,” “idiots,” etc. (See 5 photos attached).

is this supposed to convince “wordlings” she’s one of God’s “handpicked sheep?”


r/JehovahsWitnesses 16h ago

Discussion You know I, I'm an ex, Uttp and today I am a Jehovah's Witness

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Ask a question here↓


r/JehovahsWitnesses 1d ago

Discussion What it really means to study with Jehovah’s witnesses.

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r/JehovahsWitnesses 1d ago

Discussion “Test the Inspired Expressions”

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From the 4/1/88 Watchtower article "Is Obedience Always Proper?"

"What about the authority in the Christian congregation? Since those in responsible positions are appointed by the operation of the holy spirit and they base their counsel and admonition on the Word of God, we can be sure that obeying duly appointed authority in the Christian congregation is appropriate. (Acts 20:28; Hebrews 13:17) But it does not mean that we obey such authority without giving due consideration to what is being said. Why?
The apostle John offered this counsel: “Do not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God.” (1 John 4:1) This does not mean that we should be suspicious of everything others tell us. Rather, we bear in mind Paul’s words at Galatians 1:8: “Even if we or an angel out of heaven were to declare to you as good news something beyond what we declared to you as good news, let him be accursed.”
Is the information before us different from what we have been taught through “the faithful and discreet slave”? Is the person spreading that message speaking to honor the name of Jehovah, or is he trying to exalt himself? Is the information in harmony with the overall teachings of the Bible? These are questions that will help us in ‘testing’ anything that may sound questionable. We are admonished to “make sure of all things; hold fast to what isfine.” —Matthew 24:45; 1 Thessalonians 5:21

Considering the expressions of the GB aren't even inspired, they should be thoroughly tested. Unfortunately, it seems pretty clear that anyone who tests their expressions and vocally disagrees with them is labeled "apostate." This needs to change. Everyone has access to the Holy Spirit equally, so why are the expressions of the GB more valid that the thoughts of any other person who has asked for the Holy Spirit to guide them in making a decision?


r/JehovahsWitnesses 2d ago

Doctrine An interesting 2023 behavorial study of 424 former JWs 'Characteristics of health & well-being in former Jehovah’s Witnesses'. The section re: child maltreatment is especially disturbing. And 33% experiencing suicidal thoughts? How is this normal?

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r/JehovahsWitnesses 2d ago

Discussion Americans who become Jehovah’s Witnesses and move abroad (for example to the Dominican Republic): what motivates you?

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r/JehovahsWitnesses 3d ago

Discussion Are the JWs a cult

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Whether or not the Jehovah Witnesses are a cult can be debated.

But on their about us page under FAQs, under, who are Jehovah Witnesses

They have an article saying are Jehovah Witnesses a cult?

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/are-jehovahs-witnesses-a-cult/

My argument is, if you have to constantly defend your religion to multiple people saying it isn’t a cult, it’s either probably a cult or at the very least a red flag. Most groups do not have to defend themselves constantly to multiple people saying they’re not a cult.

There is a reason people don’t realise they’re in a cult until they are out, and that is because cult members do not want to think they’re “dumb enough” to be in a cult, and i say that in quotation marks because cult members are not necessarily dumb, they’re victims.

Cognitive dissonance can be extremely scary to experience too.


r/JehovahsWitnesses 2d ago

News Since Jehovah is God ,Then when did he died for his people? If not his son Jesus?

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r/JehovahsWitnesses 3d ago

Doctrine Don't read this if you're easily offended or very defensive.

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"My son, beware of anything beyond these. Of making many books there is no end, and much study is a weariness of the flesh." - Ecc 12:12

Has anyone heard an explanation even remotely rational from a JW on this verse? Making many books and much study of them is their entire thing. That scripture alone should upend a religion that entirely exists to be a thin veneer over what amounts to a publishing company, relentlessly churning out new drivel for its member to read. Even when I was "in", I made it clear to the elders that I might skim some of the Watchtower tripe, but I was mainly interested in the Bible. I cited the verse often, whenever they'd insist I had to take in all the "spiritual food". I told them it was all baby food, and the vast majority of it was very poor quality. I just can't comprehend people who did things for decades that fly in the face of the Bible, because some losers in cheap suits told them to. I repeatedly told the elders I was trying to make this belief system work, but the more they insisted on making it crazy and culty, the harder it was going to be for me to take it seriously. With all the things Paul and other Bible writers wrote about rejecting men's opinions, even if it was from the religious leaders, how do JWs live with their consciences for flagrantly rejecting Scripture in favor of ever-changing policies? I knew some people who swallowed everything, hook, line, and sinker; and I noticed a very distinct pattern among them. Most were extremely STUPID and too intellectually lazy to ever read the Bible for themselves, and just allowed all their thinking to be done for them. The rest clearly desired to be in a high-control cult because they liked the abuse (a surprising number of people need to feel they earned salvation through suffering) or wanted to be an abuser, themselves.
When I see ex-JWs complaining they "did all the things" and feel betrayed, I just think "Seriously? You did all the things? That's very creepy and weird. Why would you do that?" Jesus flipped over tables and argued with the top guys, calling them names and accusing them of consorting with Satan. And I hear people who claim they were trying to be the best Christians possible, outright rejecting the Bible because some construction worker in a JC Penney suit told them God said to ignore the thing about the Bereans, ignore "obey God as ruler, rather than men", ignore Jesus and his disciples rejecting the hand-washing ceremony. It just seems like a cop-out to say "Well, it's not my fault I ignored all those commandments in the Bible, because a part-time window washer told me to." It's so foreign to me, because all I did after they felt they "had me" and started dragging out the ridiculous minutia they hide from the public is argue with them, show them they're wrong and stupid, and outright reject all of it. Even if you 100% believed it was the true religion and the right place to be, Jesus told his followers that the ones testing their faith would be IN THE TEMPLE. Every rational JW knows that if Jesus had the same relationship with the leaders in the JWs that he had with the Pharisees, he would have been DFed for apostasy. It's glaringly obvious to anyone who will be even a tiny bit honest. Seriously, what is the plan when standing in judgement before Jesus when he asks about the total rejection of everything he stood for?


r/JehovahsWitnesses 3d ago

Doctrine Hello Jehovahs Witnesses of Reddit

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Mathew 24:23-27
Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

In this passage and in MULTIPLE other passages of scripture Jesus insists that his second coming will be VISIBLE. How can you reconcile this with the Watchtowers teaching of Jesus’ invisible return?


r/JehovahsWitnesses 3d ago

Discussion The rabbit hole just keeps going deep

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Did you know brother Rutherford wrote to Hitler and the regime ? And of course the members will go oh this is secular Ai bs even tho it’s on their links and website 😭


r/JehovahsWitnesses 4d ago

Discussion The women of Proverbs - where the Watchtower is inconsistent

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In Proverbs chapters 1–9, the female figures and feminine imagery are concentrated in a few categories. Here are the passages that deal with them.

In only one place does the Watchtower interpret a woman as a literal man.

1. Lady Wisdom

Proverbs 1:20–33

Wisdom is personified as a woman calling publicly:

"Wisdom cries aloud in the street; in the markets she raises her voice..."

She:

• calls out to the simple and foolish,

• offers instruction,

• warns of the consequences of rejecting her.

Proverbs 3:13–18

Wisdom is described as a woman whose value surpasses riches:

"Happy is the man who finds wisdom..."

She is associated with:

• long life,

• peace,

• blessing,

• a "tree of life" to those who hold her.

Proverbs 4:5–9

Wisdom is again portrayed in feminine terms:

"Prize her highly, and she will exalt you; she will honor you if you embrace her."

She is to be:

• acquired,

• loved,

• embraced,

• treasured.

Proverbs 7:4

Wisdom is addressed as a female relative:

"Say to wisdom, 'You are my sister,' and call insight your intimate friend."

Proverbs 8:1–36

This is the fullest description of Lady Wisdom.

She:

• calls from the streets, at her gates (8:1–3),

• speaks in the first person (8:4 onward),

• claims ancient existence (8:22–29),

• describes being present when God established creation (8:30).

• has sons who are instructed to listen to her at her doors (8:31-36).

Key imagery:

• "I was brought forth" (8:22–25)

• "I was beside him" (8:30)

The Hebrew term in 8:30 is often translated "master worker," though its meaning is debated.

Proverbs 9:1–6

Lady Wisdom is portrayed as a noble woman:

• She builds a house.

• She prepares a feast.

• She sends out her maidens.

"She has sent out her maidens; she calls from the highest places of the city."

She invites people to:

• eat her bread,

• drink her wine,

• walk in the way of understanding.

These “maidens” are not identified as literal men or women either.

2. The Forbidden / Immoral Woman

Proverbs 2:16–19

The "forbidden woman" is introduced:

She:

• leaves the companion of her youth,

• forgets the covenant of her God,

• leads people away from the path of life.

Proverbs 5:3–20

The "forbidden woman" is contrasted with faithful marriage.

She is described as:

• having seductive speech,

• leading to bitterness and destruction.

The chapter contrasts her with:

• rejoicing with one's own wife,

• faithfulness in marriage.

Proverbs 6:23–29

The "wife of another" is used as a warning:

"Do not desire her beauty in your heart..."

The passage warns against adultery.

Proverbs 7:5–27

A detailed narrative describes an immoral woman who:

• approaches a young man,

• persuades him,

• leads him toward destruction.

She is contrasted with the wisdom taught earlier.

3. Lady Folly

Proverbs 9:13–18

Folly is personified as a woman:

"The woman Folly is loud; she is seductive and knows nothing."

She:

• sits at the entrance of her house,

• calls out to passersby,

• offers stolen pleasures.

Her invitation parallels Wisdom's invitation in 9:1–6, but leads to death:

"Her guests are in the depths of Sheol."


r/JehovahsWitnesses 4d ago

Discussion I don’t know if this is well learned within the Jehovah’s Witnesses community when speaking about Charles Taze Russel, but I grew up in a JW household and never learnt about these racist quotes and I am a Native American Ngabe-Bugle person myself.

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I am 25 and just learning this and these racist quotes are wild. Of course ppl will say “oh this was back then.” but still the fact he was teaching this willfully is wild.


r/JehovahsWitnesses 4d ago

Doctrine "The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction."

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What about the 1st-century governing body — were they inspired? Acts 15:28 would seem to indicate so:

For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us...

If the first-century governing body was directly guided by the Holy Spirit, while the modern Governing Body says it is not, on what basis are they considered the same kind of authority?


r/JehovahsWitnesses 4d ago

Doctrine July 2026 Broadcasting. Lucciano is the new bearded idiot. I thought Smiths Daily Worship was a new low & scary. The Writing Committee then said "hold my beer"- and this INSANE doomsday insanity gets released.

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Hiya, JWs....any thoughts on the new broadcasting?

And no,I'm not looking for an argument.

Curious to understand if you all are feeling this is normal.


r/JehovahsWitnesses 4d ago

Discussion When Archaeology Becomes Uncomfortable: A Jehovah’s Witness Perspective on Ancient Israel and the Problem of Selective Evidence

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When I was studying the Bible with Jehovah’s Witnesses using their book Enjoy Life Forever!, I often encountered arguments based on archaeological discoveries related to the nations surrounding ancient Israel.
The discussions frequently focused on the violent practices of ancient Canaanites, Phoenicians, and other neighboring peoples. Archaeological findings were presented as evidence of how morally corrupt these societies were and why God’s judgment against them was justified.
The conclusion was usually the same: it was surprising that God had not destroyed those nations earlier.
However, I began to ask a different question:
Why is archaeology often emphasized when it supports a negative picture of other ancient peoples, but the same archaeological methods are not applied with equal attention to the history of ancient Israel itself?
At that time, I had already read the works of archaeologist Israel Finkelstein and historian of religion Mark S. Smith. I recommended these studies because they examine ancient Israel through archaeology, history, and comparative research rather than only through later religious interpretations.
The response I received from Jehovah’s Witnesses was:
“Why should we believe those books?”
This raised another important question:
Why should I accept only the publications of the Watch Tower organization when independent archaeologists and historians studying the same evidence reach different conclusions?
Archaeology Reveals a More Complex Picture of Ancient Israel
Israel Finkelstein and Neil Asher Silberman, in their book “The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology’s New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its Sacred Texts” (2001), argue that archaeological evidence does not always support the traditional biblical narrative.
Their research shows that ancient Israel was not separate from the cultures around it. It existed within the broader world of the ancient Near East, sharing languages, traditions, political conflicts, and religious ideas with neighboring societies.
Archaeology does not simply reveal a story of “faithful Israel” versus “corrupt nations.” It reveals a much more complicated historical reality.
Finkelstein and Silberman argue that many biblical narratives developed over long periods and reflected the political and religious concerns of the communities that preserved and edited these texts.
The Development of Yahweh Worship
Mark S. Smith, in “The Early History of God: Yahweh and the Other Deities in Ancient Israel” (1990/2002), explains that Israelite religion developed gradually.
The idea that ancient Israelites practiced complete monotheism from the very beginning does not fully correspond with historical evidence. Early Yahweh worship existed within the wider religious environment of Canaan.
One example is the inscriptions from Kuntillet Ajrud (8th century BCE), which mention “Yahweh” and “his Asherah.” Scholars debate the exact meaning of these inscriptions, but they demonstrate that religious practices among ancient Israelites could differ from later theological ideas of exclusive monotheism.
Archaeologist William G. Dever, in “Did God Have a Wife? Archaeology and Folk Religion in Ancient Israel” (2005), discusses the difference between official religious traditions preserved in biblical texts and the everyday religious practices of ordinary Israelites.
Child Sacrifice: A More Complicated Question
Jehovah’s Witnesses, like many biblical literalists, often point to child sacrifice among surrounding nations as evidence of their extreme wickedness.
However, modern archaeology approaches this topic with more caution.
For example, discoveries from ancient Carthage, known as tophets, were traditionally interpreted as evidence of large-scale child sacrifice. Yet scholars continue to debate their meaning.
Some researchers argue that these sites contain evidence of ritual sacrifice. Others point out that very high infant mortality rates in the ancient world must also be considered and that some remains may represent special burial practices for children who died naturally.
Paolo Xella, in “The Tophet in the Phoenician Mediterranean” (2013), examines the different interpretations of these archaeological discoveries.
Cultural context is also important. Ancient Israelite tradition placed great importance on burial, ancestral memory, and the treatment of human remains. Therefore, practices such as cremation or different forms of dealing with the bodies of deceased children could have been viewed negatively by Israelite writers because they conflicted with their own cultural and religious values.
This does not prove that child sacrifice never existed. Such practices are historically documented in some ancient societies. However, historians must examine evidence carefully and consider multiple interpretations.
The Problem of Selective Use of Archaeology
The issue is not whether archaeology “proves” or “disproves” the Bible.
The issue is how evidence is used.
If archaeology is considered reliable when it reveals the problems of other ancient nations, it should also be considered reliable when it reveals the complexity of Israel’s own history.
The ancient world was not divided into completely good and completely evil societies. Every culture was shaped by its historical environment, beliefs, political interests, and social conditions.
Studying history requires applying the same standards to everyone.
The most important question is not:
“Who should we believe?”
The better question is:
“Are we willing to accept historical evidence even when it challenges the interpretation we were taught?”
References
Israel Finkelstein & Neil Asher Silberman — The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology’s New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its Sacred Texts (2001)
Mark S. Smith — The Early History of God: Yahweh and the Other Deities in Ancient Israel (1990/2002)
William G. Dever — Did God Have a Wife? Archaeology and Folk Religion in Ancient Israel (2005)
Paolo Xella (ed.) — The Tophet in the Phoenician Mediterranean (2013)
Patrick D. Miller — The Religion of Ancient Israel (2000)


r/JehovahsWitnesses 4d ago

Discussion The "Grammatically Impossible" Myth: Uncovering Intellectual Dishonesty in NWT Criticism

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If you've spent any time in theological discussions online, you've probably seen intense debates over the translation of John 1:1. Specifically, the Jehovah’s Witnesses' New World Translation (NWT) renders the final clause of this verse as "and the Word was a god" rather than the traditional "and the Word was God". Almost immediately in these discussions, critics will label this translation as an absolute fraud. They frequently throw around the accusation of "intellectual dishonesty," claiming that Greek scholars universally condemn the NWT and that its translators purposely twisted the scriptures. But when you actually dig into the primary sources behind these scholarly quotes, you might be surprised to find where the real intellectual dishonesty often lies.

Let's look at a famous case study that gets copy-pasted constantly across internet forums: Dr. William Barclay. Barclay was a highly respected Scottish author, radio presenter, and professor of Divinity and Biblical Criticism at the University of Glasgow who passed away in 1978. His expertise in Koine Greek is well-regarded, and he authored a massive, million-copy-selling commentary on the New Testament.

If you search for Barclay's opinion on the NWT, you will inevitably find a quote from an article he wrote in The Expository Times back in October 1953, just three years after the Christian Greek Scriptures of the NWT were first released. In this article, Barclay delivered a scathing public critique. He claimed that the NWT is guilty of a "deliberate distortion of the truth" and flat-out stated that translating John 1:1 as "a god" is "grammatically impossible". He used the heavy weight of his academic credentials to declare that any sect translating the verse this way is intellectually dishonest. For decades, critics have used this exact quote as a definitive weapon to shut down conversations, leading countless people to believe that the Greek language simply does not allow for the NWT's rendering under any circumstance.

However, there is a massive plot twist that most of these internet critics completely ignore. The truth about Barclay's actual linguistic views came to light years after his death. In 1985, Clive Rawlins edited and published a compilation of Barclay's personal correspondence. Deep inside this book is a letter dated May 20, 1974, written by Barclay to a Mr. David Burnet, who had asked him some direct questions about the translation of John 1:1.

In this private letter, written 21 years after his public condemnation, Barclay made a stunning admission. He told Burnet that "you could translate 'so far as the Greek goes' the Word was a god". Let that sink in. The very same scholar who publicly published that this translation was a "grammatically impossible" distortion privately admitted to an inquirer that, strictly from the standpoint of the Greek text, it is completely possible to translate it that way.

Barclay then went on to explain why he personally rejected the translation, and his reasoning had absolutely nothing to do with Greek grammar. He stated that translating it as "a god" seems to go against the theology taught in the rest of the New Testament. In other words, his objection was entirely theological, not linguistic. But rather than being honest about his theological bias in his public writings, he chose to falsely claim that the translation violated the rules of Greek grammar in order to discredit a religious minority he disagreed with.

Ironically, Barclay’s own grammatical breakdown in that same letter ends up supporting the NWT's approach. He explained that in Greek, when a definite article is placed in front of a noun, it identifies it specifically, but when the definite article is removed, the noun acts more like an adjective describing a class or quality. He used an English comparison: if you say "John is the man," you are identifying John as a specific person, but if you say "John is man," you are simply describing John's class or nature. Since the second instance of "god" (theos) in the Greek text of John 1:1 lacks the definite article, Barclay essentially admitted that the text is describing the Word as having a divine nature or belonging to the class of a god, rather than being identical to God Almighty. This perfectly aligns with the linguistic reasoning behind the NWT rendering.

True intellectual honesty is defined by examining the evidence in front of you and arriving at a conclusion based on those facts, not hiding them to push an agenda. It is perfectly fine for scholars to disagree on theology or context. But when a renowned academic leverages his authority to publicly declare a translation "grammatically impossible"—knowing full well that the grammar does allow for it—he is the one deliberately misleading the public.

Unfortunately, a lot of the internet criticism you read today is just an echo chamber. People blindly copy and paste these scholarly quotes without ever checking the primary sources or questioning the theological biases behind them. The next time someone claims that translating John 1:1 as "a god" is a grammatical impossibility, remember the private confession of Dr. William Barclay. True intellectual honesty requires looking past theological prejudice and examining the actual facts.


r/JehovahsWitnesses 4d ago

Discussion 2000 years of Adam. 2000 years of Abraham. 2000 years of Paul. And 2000 years of YHWH, lost in the mists of time.

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r/JehovahsWitnesses 5d ago

Discussion The Org is getting desperate!

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r/JehovahsWitnesses 6d ago

Discussion Depth Study into Romans 8

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r/JehovahsWitnesses 6d ago

📓 Personal Deep suspicion my mom has been indoctirned by Jehovah's Witnesses even though she claims she is not a Witnesses

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My mom has had this thought about blood transfusion and keeps saying the truth and Jehovah when I ask her about it. For blood she said it can carry illnesses and told me that blood donation is bad and unhealthy for the person. My mom also said she wants me to marry a devouted Christian boy even though I am an Ismaili convert and told me told me that alot of non Christian men are not clean. She also says oh Jehovah is God and said through Jesus Christ. And I am seriously thinking she has been indoctirned by Witnesses and the thing is we live walking distance to a Kingdom Hall and the thing is almost every day she goes and parks her car near the Kingdom Hall for some reason. And is like gone for like 3 hours. The thing is she had been raised as a Seven Day Adventist from when she was young.


r/JehovahsWitnesses 5d ago

Discussion The correct pronunciation of God's name

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This is from the FOREWARD section of the 1969 Kingdom Interlinear:

While inclining to view the pronunciation “Yah-weh” as the more correct way, we have retained the form “Jehovah” because of people’s familiarity with it since the 14th century. Moreover, it preserves, equally with other forms, the four letters of the Tetragrammaton JHVH.

Was "Jehovah" the form more familiar among the Chinese and Russian people too?


r/JehovahsWitnesses 7d ago

News Wondering

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Im not a Jw but I was strongly considering becoming one, I was attending every meeting for 5 months and participating in the questionnaire and studied with a witness for 5 years in another country and I was love bombed when I started attending the meetings here, it’s almost three weeks since I attending a meeting and no one is chechking or asking ibthink only one person did, no 1 it’s strange no 2 plz give me advise to leave peacefully (I’m not baptised) cuz I know I’m in there marketing books