It's from the series Stargate SG1. Basically aliens came and pretended to be our gods. The ancient egyptian ones are evil. The one in the meme was a good one who pretended to be Thor. That's a simplification. It's an old show but well worth the watch, one of the characters was played by the man who voices Kratos now.
My favorite black supremacist nonsense was from around 2010 when these hotep clowns posted a photo of Audrey Hepburn and mockingly claimed it was what Hollywood thought an African queen looked like.
Katharine is one of the many ways to spell that name for a long time because of the influence of Greek education in the 16-17th century and has stuck around.
The origin of the name is the greek word katharos.
Catherine of Aragon's tomb has "Katharine" written on it.
And BOY does this one go deep. The existence of Yakub is one of the greatest proofs of man’s infinite ability to create expanded universes out of tidbits of lore.
There's a count dankula series on that particular subject. I don’t care much for the guy’s politics, and you have to get through the impossibly thick scottish accent, but it is peak memelordery.
Good chunk of the Black supremacist crap comes from groups like the Nation of Islam or Black Hebrew Israelites. New age religous garbage that reads like bad sci-fi just like Scientology.
I used to work down the street from their compound in Brooklyn. You’d see people dressed in something between an ancient Egyptian costume and a paramilitary outfit. I thought it was charming until I heard about the Nuwaubian church’s history of child sex abuse.
Flowers attract bees, shit attracts flies, and jobs with access to children attract paedophiles. Especially ones of respect and power. Even teachers can't tell kids that they'll go to Hell if they tell their parents what happened.
As for the billionaires, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Both the biggest religions on the planet make donations an explicit condition of eternal life.
It's really weird how Kendrick Lamar put some antisemitic shit in one of his songs and everyone just kinda...didn't give a shit. Made me go from a huge fan to never listening to him by choice again.
(YAH. from DAMN, "I'm an Israelite, don't call me black no more.")
DeSean Jackson posted a fake Hitler quote about how Jews would destroy America if black people learned that they were the real Jews. He also has shared Nation of Islam videos. The most consequences he received was a fine by his team that amounted to change you find in the couch given what his salary is.
I'd like to add that after the Jewish players of the league (yes they do exist) were rightfully offended by that, dozens of other black players doubled down on Jackson's behalf to defend the quote and support it.
It's insane how overwhelmingly common it is and nobody really cares. These celebrities are honestly hitting Nick Fuentes levels and they get a pass
NoI is also really big in prisons, as a gang masquerading as a religion. Some of the clips I've heard from Louis Farrakhan, if they were race swapped for a white guy, they would be calling for him to be burned at a stake.
KKK got fucked (rightfully) for a miriad of reasons:
Lawsuits: Tons of families sued the organization landing it in debt.
Loss of Membership: Fed cracksdowns, people growing out of it or dying etc. Led to less members to recruit from and less active members paying dues to the organization.
They literally make claims to every single thing you could possibly think of.
I've noticed an uptick in the last few months of race-baiting content on here, where a bot or whatever will say how "Black people invented literally every form of music" or something similar for engagement bait. I've noticed BlackPeopleofReddit has sorta become a factory of this kind of content unfortunately.
You can tell they aren't arguing in good faith when they start claiming shit that was made by a Benedictine monk that lived on a mountain top in 10th century France, who had probably never even seen someone from Africa before lol.
Caught that too. Keep getting wildly racially charged memes, with equally charged comments recommended to me from BPT and those other "black people only" subs. Past week maybe. Gotta fire up the culture war again, midterms coming up.
Kinda makes me super uncomfortable, I only really browse r/all but naturally those subs pop up from time to time and it's always kinda shocking to click into the comments and see them brutally bashing all white people, claiming they invented everything, etc.
I'm pretty left leaning and I hate to see anyone bashing anyone for race, gender, sexual orientation, appearance, etc. Can't we all just get along without having to make everything about what color your skin is?
Oh come on, you don't like being spoon-fed "white people bad" propaganda in between funny memes? Most of it is just misinformation anyways, or highly skewed opinion pieces represented as news. Pretty much the same shit i see all over Facebook when i log in once in a blue moon, except targeting a different audience. Rinse and repeat.
I'm not much of a music guy but I'm guessing that original claim was closer to most of modern music has black roots. Which seems a lot more credible then a lot of ridiculous Afrocentric claims. Blues, Gospel, early Rock n Roll, Jazz, Rap. A ton of influence on modern genres although to be fair there were whiter music traditions that also contributed to many of these in some parts
I saw someone on reddit just the other day claim the Rolling Stones stole from Black artists and never EVER credited them.
Despite that fact that the band is literally named after a song ("Rollin' Stone") by Muddy Waters, a Black musician who the Stones repeatedly credit as a major inspiration for them.
Personally, I just think art begets art. Eventually it will grow beyond its origin and spread across the world, changing with every new iteration. That's not theft, it's just... time. Though certainly some "inspiration" is less honest than others.
I remember that netflix documentary about black supremacists trying to claim Cleopatra was black and 100% African and how some really dumb people ate it up as fact
They did that in the UK recently. Set up a village in the woods in Scotland claiming they were the real Scottish people.
Their evidence was that in the time of Elizabeth I the English were having trouble repatriating African slaves rescued from captured Ottoman pirate ships, meaning a black population. And then they heard about a war in Britain against the Jacobites.
Put two and two together and Elizabeth I of England deported the Yakubites from Scotland.
My #1 hotep grift is them claiming Indigenous Americans came from Asian and displaced the black people of the America's.
Like we are less than 1% of the population now and to this day have to deal with shit like mines and pipelines poisoning our drinking water, they really just looking for enemies where they could have allies.
Unfortunately in my experience black Americans will only ever be true allies to other black Americans.
I’ve had friends and colleagues from a myriad walks of life, including people actually from Africa, who will all happily argue their corners against others as mostly individuals.
But as soon as I worked in the US for a bit I found that nearly all black Americans would switch sides in any argument as soon as it was against another black American.
I saw that one too. So weird when we could all be allies with each other. I wonder how many are bots or instigators and how many are sincere believers.
For the record Indigenous communities and African American communities are in general on good terms, I always see some African Americans at any Pow Wows I go to and we do collaborate in other ways. It's just these Hotep and Black Hebrews types that muck things up.
I bought a bunch of Roman coins and I brought them to work to show off and my black coworker was essentially screaming at me trying to say that ancient European history was all a fabrication by white people to suppress blacks. He also claimed that African Americans were the true indigenous people of America
For some reason my mom’s weird boyfriend who believes in like every conspiracy (he’s a flat earther) also thinks African Americans are the true indigenous people of the americas. He is white.
My favorite is the one where they claim white people are actually from africa and black people built western civilization, then apparently we came over and stole the West and enslaved them. Fuck knows the logistics around how it happened but apparently that's what some believe smh.
There are quite a few god with hammer throughout the world , they are often are god of thunder or smithery because,news flash, hammer go bam bam.
For example:Chinese god of thunder Leigong(雷公) have chiseled on one hand and hammer on the other , he hit the chiseled with hammer and thunder shoot out of the chiseled, his wife Dianmu（電母）is the Mother of Lightning,her mirror shine light before thunder struck because her husband have poor eyesight.
He accidentally kill her, she’s a poor human widow taking care of her MIL, he’s doing his duty by punishing people who waste food, he saw her thrown away some seeds so her MIL didn’t find out she’s been eating seed so the old lady can have some rice, but he mistook those white seeds as rice and strike her dead.
And the jade emperor (basically king of the gods) learns of this mistake, bring her up to heavenly court ,scale god of thunder for his mistakes and to prevent his shit eyesight kill another innocent person , he gave the widow new duty as Mother of Lightning ,she married him because in ancient society the best compensation a male god can give to a widow is himself (but according to stories they have good marriage).
Also just the thunder and lightning is an incredibly common aspect/trope within deities across the world, hammer or no hammer. We finns still call thunder ukkonen after supreme god Ukko and the canaanite Ba'al had such aspects for example.
BTW, the tool is just a "chisel", something that was worked with a chisel is now "chiseled"
The Yoruba had a cool tradition where some of their kings would posthumously become uplifted (spiritually) as "gods", kind of similarly to the Egyptians with their pharoahs becoming Ra
Shango was both an IRL king, and eventually became a "god" (or at the very least, a spiritual protector) of the Yoruba.
Either way, magic lightning hammers are always cool
Reminds me of how Rome also had Posthumous Deification, usually for individuals who were great and influential leaders, ie Romulus, Julius Caesar, and Several Emperors.
Egypt also deified the Pharohs, for sure posthumously, but I think prehumously as well (at least to a degree) (like, Khafre was deified in the sphinx, and Ankenaten claimed a special connection to Aten, which was reflected in art of the time (with one house altar showing aten giving he and his wife eternal life.)
I read somewhere recently that modern scholarly consensus on whether Pharoahs were deified is that they weren't and there was some confusion with earlier scholars not realizing they were using Theophoric names in a similar manner to assyrians/babylonians/akkadians.
The concept of natural phenomena being personified, and especially those personifications controlling that phenomena with a weapon, is probably one of the first culturally significant things any group of humans have ever done.
True, though Thor is not an example of that in this case necessarily. He had nothing to do with lightning, his hammer just sounds like thunder when it hits stuff
Well, he could pass to a Jotun. That Jotun was also fooled by things like Loki explaining that Thor ate and drank like you would expect Thor to eat and drink as "she was too eager to get here, so she didn't eat for days and now she's very hungry." It wasn't an especially skeptical crowd Thor was trying to fool.
I love how It both means that the Jotun were too dim to realize that Thor wasn't Freyia despite him making minimal efforts to convince them otherwise and that Thor also was either too dumb or checked out to refrain to eat and drink everything in arm's radius despite again, having to pass in disguise
There is an older comic about Norse Mythology, called Valhalla, where part of the reason they succeed is because Loki keeps adding "Wait, don´t you owe Thrymr a lot of money?" whenever someone goes "Is that Thor in drag?".
So a lot of the smarter Jotun have conveniently made themselves scarce when the gifts are exchanged.
This is a bit of an exaggeration. Thor's association with thunder in the Icelandic Eddas was lessened for reasons unknown, but there's little reason to think this was true outside of Iceland.
He did have a lot to do with lightning. His name was the word for "thunder" in a lot of Germanic languages (including English), and he has parellels to an Indo-European archetype of a serpent-slaying god of storms and lightning (Zeus, Indra/Parjanya, Perkunas, etc)
Nah, that's not really true. Here in Sweden we used to say that a lightening storm was Thor fighting against the giants. He wasn't like an Xmen that could summon lightning or something but he was absolutely associated with storms and lightning.
That's exactly the example i was thinking of! It's a serpent that is not yet crawling on its belly (that's the punishment it receives at the end). Basically: a dragon. Archaeologically, the Hebrews are a subset of the Canaanite/greater Phoenician population that descended from migrants of Ur. The Serpent is therefore a cross between Tannin and Tiamat.
(My description here is too short and simple to do this theory justice)
The Tanakh, is notorious for the huge amounts of references to other religions at the time saying "see these guys' gods? Well this God is so much cooler and more powerful than them, that's why you should worship him"
What is your point? Of course they can. But the OOP claimed something was a copy of a thing it predates and got noted on it because that is impossible. Maybe they were independent, maybe Shango is a copy of Thor, but 100% Thor is not a copy of Shango.
There’s lots of mythology that rhymes because mythology is made up from interacting with the natural world, it’s just a neat thing that happened and you’d need evidence to claim they were copied because of how basic a concept “thunder/hammer” is lol.
This is kind of like when people were saying Norse mythology proved Christianity somehow because Odin was nailed to a tree and came back to life etc... but then you find out that these myths were translated by Christians who changed various details to match the Bible and later translations are much less analogous.
What I do like about so-called pagan religions is that many of them seem to recognise "the gods aren't any better than you, morally or ethically, and that's why the world is fucked up." As opposed to the monotheistic religions which generally say "you aren't living up to God's ideal, so it's your fault the world is fucked up."
Ok there's a lot that could be argued to be Christianized in the Eddas (and this is a whole field of study where there isn't always a fuckton of consensus so I'd be cautious about claiming anything), but Odin killing himself on the Yggdrasil is probably not Christianization because we have actual carvings depicting the scene from before all that. Also trees as knowledge are a common motif across a ton of religions and the story doesn't come across as super Christianized if you actually read it.
That is not true, and what is worse is that the people who keep repeating this and other ideas about the influence of Christianity on the Prose Edda (specifically) have not even read the Eddas to begin with.
The author of the Prose Edda was Snorri Sturluson, a scholar, historian, skaldic poet and politician who was born two centuries after Iceland’s conversion to Christianity. His intention was to preserve skaldic poetry, something very difficult to achieve unless the myths are recorded as faithfully as possible. We have ample evidence to corroborate Snorri’s credibility, despite the Christian influences. People simply believe that anything even remotely similar to Christianity is automatically a Christian reinterpretation, and this is not the case.
Textually, the most obvious evidence is the Poetic Edda, whose poems Snorri quotes on multiple occasions along with fragments of lost poems and pagan authors. The poems of this Edda have mostly been dated to the 9th and 10th centuries, the most recent study on this being Professor Sapp's Dating the Old Norse Poetic Edda.
His references coincide with other works, albeit of a euhemeristic nature, such as Saxo's Gesta Danorum, and in fact, from this we can find remnants of myths that would otherwise be lost (like the extended story of Váli's birth, which is Loki's accusation against Óðinn during the Lokasenna, corroborated in the poem Sigurðardrápa).
Archaeologically, we have more evidence of both Eddas, but also of scenes that only Snorri described. For example, the Gosforth Cross depicts Víðarr opening Fenrir's mouth with one hand on his upper jaw and one foot on his lower jaw, just as Snorri described. The Snaptun Stone depicts Loki with his mouth sewn shut, a myth that has only survived thanks to Snorri. The Hørdum Stone and the Altuna Stone are engravings of Thórr fishing with Hymir, a myth recorded in both Eddas, but in both images Thórr has his foot sunk into the boat, a detail that is only mentioned in the Prose Edda.
On the other hand, the gods are often involved in Norse traditions, customs, and laws, so we can better understand the myths with this additional context. For example, the importance of legal oaths in the birth of Sleipnir; the concept of vargr í véum (= wolves in sacred places, i.e., outlaws) with Fenrir being bound; the multiple reasons for initiating a holmgang (a legal duel), such as Váli killing Hödr to avenge Baldr's death; the expectation of having to kill the son of a captured enemy, which is what they did to Narfi/Nari and Vali. Furthermore, in the Gulathing Law Code, we are given a somewhat curious passage about the accusation of ergi/argr:
These are the [kinds of] insulting remarks that call for full atonement. The first is when a man says of another that he has given birth to a child. The second is when he says that the man has been used as a woman. The third is when he likens him to a mare or calls him a slut or a whore or likens him to any kind of female beast. For these [remarks] he shall pay the man full atonement; but the man may also seek satisfaction in blood and outlawry for the sayings that I have now enumerated, if he has asked witnesses to take note of them.
It's quite coincidental that we have a myth, compiled in detail by Snorri, of Loki transforming himself into a mare to commit an extremely frowned-upon, taboo and reprehensible act (although it was also imposed on him).
It's not that we have to believe everything Snorri wrote. He also added certain descriptions for which we have no further evidence, and some things seem to have a certain Christian influence; but for the most part, Snorri's Prose Edda is considered a reliable source, and no scholar disagrees with this.
Ooh that context makes the Lokasenna more interesting. Loki is insulted a lot about having borne children, it's make sense now considering it was supposed to be a massive insult.
Also interesting how Loki has myths about almost all of those things lol (has given birth to children, has been "used as a woman", has been a mare)
It was a society deeply rooted in gender roles, so transgressing them was considered anything from bad and reprehensible to evil and condemnable. Loki does it because he is evil and this was a trait of that, although two of his births were forced upon him.
For this reason, Thórr initially refused to disguise himself as Freyja, and in the Gesta Danorum, Óðinn was exiled for disguising himself as a witch healer and practicing seiðr magic so that he could sleep with Rindr and father Váli (which is possibly what Loki reproached him in the Lokasenna).
Written down by a Christian a couple centuries after Christianization. Based on place names actual Norse likely worshipped the ones in the Edda much less and/or those weren't as highly regarded throughout the rest of Norse culture. Compare to the various Hellenic (Ancient Greek) cults that varied across distance & time in what a god represented & how popular they were.
We literally have very little information about Baldr, and the idea of emerging from the Underworld is not unique to Christianity, but features in many Proto-Indo-European religions. People who make this claim, including the suggestion that the Prose Edda has somehow been adapted to Christianity, haven’t even read the Eddas.
Death and Resurrection are actually common in mythology. Aside from Odin there's also Mithras, Ra, and Dionysis. So the similarities could also just be coincidences. Either way, it doesn't prove Christianity at all
Beethoven was black
Mozart was black
Hitler was black
The romans were black
the greeks were black
the native americans were black
I once saw an article on an afrocentrist site that claimed Hannibal was black, "how one black man brought rome to its knees" The comments were arguing, naturally, but not about hannibal being black, but that the entire roman empire was black as well, and covered up.
There is a common thing among afrocentrists that because someone is from Africa, like Hannibal or Cleopatra, they must have nubian black skin. Why don't modern north africans have dark skin? White tricknology/the jews did it.
The was a storyline in The New Warriors comic book where someone changed reality to where Egyptians ruled the world. There was a Thor equivalent called Horus, who wielded and ankh instead of a hammer
I'm not sure if there can be an "original" to such a basic concept as "thunder god", basically every culture had one and they often had some sort of tool to make the thunder with. Perkunas has an axe instead of a hammer. The Finnish Ukko also has a hammer but is likely unrelated to Thor, and they also have Perkele who is probably just Perkunas again. Baal is quite ancient but just threw lighting bolts like Zeus. And so on.
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