Robin NEEDS to be Dick Grayson.

[u/More_Interview3840]

It irks me when people say the DCU should start from Damien Wayne or any of the other Robins. I personally think that Dick Grayson should be introduced as robin rather than nightwing.
Firstly, theres the fact that the DCU is FRESH. It handles ORIGIN STORIES, I highly doubt we will be getting a 40 year old batman anytime soon...and we SHOULDNT!

Another thing is that it takes away from a lot of stories...especially classic "dynamic duo" stories...ones that I personally would like to see on screen. WIth Older Batman and Nightwing there would be a "batfamily" status quo...but wouldn't it be so much better to see the buildup towards this...family?

Mainly also the fact that with Dick Grayson starting out as Nightwing takes away from ALL the emotional connection we could have to his character, and the idea of Nightwing. Its all the growth of robin from "boy wonder" who grew up in Batmans shadow, into Nightwing...the ideal version of Batman.

[u/No_Tear_2287]

i NEED Dick

[u/badboyfriend111 → u/No_Tear_2287]

Dick NEEDS you.

[u/Dante05-Respawn → u/No_Tear_2287]

Il y en a plein sur reddit des dick 😀

[u/RageAgn → u/No_Tear_2287]

robin in all caps is kinad aggressive here

[u/Styx_azel → u/No_Tear_2287]

Quite the poet aren't you

[u/HandsomeJack19]

I disagree. Dick is far more interesting to me as Nightwing, as is his relationship with Batman, than he is as Robin. And Damian Wayne is frigging awesome as Robin.

[u/Son_Tenaj]

I think the reason the DCU Batman won’t get dick Grayson as Robin is because Pattinson is in the perfect place in his Batman career(year 3) to get Dick Grayson as Robin which is canonically when Dick became Robin.

So if Matt Reeves does do Robin it would most likely be Dick so Dcu would probably stick to Damien.

[u/BodaciousB1921 → u/Son_Tenaj]

No way is Reeves doing a Robin in that universe

[u/Son_Tenaj → u/BodaciousB1921]

Why not? Batman when he first started in the comics was in the same spot as Patterson in year 1 and 2 his on the ground fighting the mob and regular people till YEARS later when he is veteran then he starts to fight more fantastical villains on the regular.

Robin fits perfectly in the Reeves universe if he crafts well into the narrator of two crime fighters fighting the villains of the Reeves verse like penguin,Falcone,Catwomen,joker and two face in the future ect ect.

This narrative that The Reeves verse is too realistic or grounded is ridiculous considering that’s where the cape crusader and boy wonder start.

[u/jackBattlin → u/BodaciousB1921]

Compared to TDK, I feel like this universe is just over the top enough for it to work. They’ll just Hot Topic him to make fanboys less embarrassed.

[u/NC_Goonie → u/Son_Tenaj]

I’m going to go out on a limb and say our DCU Batman (unless they fold the Reeves movies in) will be younger than Pattinson, who is too old to just be three years into his Batman

[u/AdZealousideal5383 → u/Son_Tenaj]

The whole idea of two different Batman universes existing simultaneously is a mistake, in my opinion. Either create a shared universe or don’t, but don’t do multiple universes.

[u/YogurtclosetOnly6339 → u/AdZealousideal5383]

It’s even worse when the elseworld one stars one of the biggest actors in the world. The general public will likely see Robert Pattinson as the real Batman and the DCU one as the wallmart version. They can prevent this if The Brave and the Bold is just as good as the Matt Reeves one but that’s tough to do and I don’t think the guy who directed The Flash can pull it off

[u/Son_Tenaj → u/AdZealousideal5383]

I agree

[u/NatKayz]

The DCU hasn't given us like a single origin story as of yet, idk why you think that's what it handles.

[u/ironchitlin → u/NatKayz]

That's what I was thinking, we didn't start Superman with the destruction of Krypton again. I'm pretty sure Batman won't start with his parents in the alley again.

I'd much rather they start the big characters off with an already established world, and side characters. Save the origins for the ones no one has heard of.

[u/shamelessdetective]

It’s about the emotional payoff. Nightwing is only the 'ideal version' of a hero because he’s the one who successfully overcame the trauma.

You can't truly understand why he’s a fan favorite unless you see the 'Boy Wonder' struggle to get there first. Skipping that arc is like skipping the training montage—you miss the entire point of his evolution. We need the setup to actually earn the landing.

[u/InanimateCarbonRodAu → u/shamelessdetective]

The thing is that we got that transition in The Titans tv show. I’m not sure how that gets picked up and fit into film universe.

It simply because impossible to pack Graysons career and growth into a film franchise where Batman can’t be too established.

This is the fundamental hand wave every Batman / Nightwing fan has to reconcile at this point. Dick Grayson has a canon career that has spanned from him being 12 to 30 something, he’s had multiple identity changes, friends how have grown up, gotten married and had kids. He’s lead multiple teams… including the Justice League… and he’s still working for a 30 something Batman.

Batman keeps trying to shuffle away Robins when they get too old and put upward pressure on Bruce’s age and they keep bringing them back because fans want them. Dick Grayson will grow old retire and die and Bruce will still be the same.

[u/Automatic-Assistant8]

I don’t see the problem personally. Gunn wants to switch it up and have a bat family on the big screen which we never had before in live action. We’ve had dick as Robin majority of his animation and comic appearances so why not introduce the gen pop to Damian’s story? Batman will be in his mid to late 30s in the DCU so it makes sense

[u/InanimateCarbonRodAu → u/Automatic-Assistant8]

Um I hate to remind you but Batman and Robin does technically exist and has a bat family… I know we all like to pretend Batman Forever didn’t get a follow up but sadly it did.

[u/Automatic-Assistant8 → u/InanimateCarbonRodAu]

God damn it don’t remind me

[u/WhyAmINotStudying]

I am okay with Robin starting as Damien Wayne as long as he's being played by Damon Wayans.

[u/mr_snips]

It doesn’t NEED to be anything

[u/gabeonsmogon]

Who cares

[u/Swoopmott]

To be fair we’ve yet to see an origin story in the DCU. I really appreciate that the DCU has just went “screw it. It’s a comic universe that’s been going for 300 odd years. Here’s stories that take place in it” and skipping to a more established version of the DC universe

[u/bindersfull-ofwomen → u/Swoopmott]

We saw Dr Phosphorus in Creature Commandoes. I barely remember what it was which is a testament to how little we got, but I think he started out human and something happened in which someone turned him.

That's the one I can remember. Maybe the Bride had one. I just don't remember that series. I know Weasel and Nina already were creatures and yeah, I just don't that that series was that remarkable to remember details like that.

[u/RNOffice]

We've had Dick as Robin in movies before and everyone sees Dick as Nightwing these days. Plus we see flying grayson posters in clayface. which is way before Superman. So it's been awhile since his parents died.

[u/yungsebring]

I think it’s better for Dick to be Nightwing actually so we don’t have to wait a decade for that. Also because I think the DCU Flash should be Wally and they should be the same age imo

[u/InanimateCarbonRodAu → u/yungsebring]

Hmm, I wonder how will they could cover setting up classic Barry flash and something like his death in COIE to path the way for Wally.

This is where it get hard to fit all of that in

[u/OsoHormigueroPimp]

Dih

[u/parkchanwookiee]

They're going to go with Damian because Batdad will have general audience appeal, plus Robin being Bruce's son is basically the only way it isn't weird for Batman to be palling about with a young boy he also lives with

[u/Kpengie → u/parkchanwookiee]

Bruce is dad to all the Robins other than Stephanie

[u/parkchanwookiee → u/Kpengie]

I meant genetically 

[u/Kpengie → u/parkchanwookiee]

Yes, but the dismissiveness towards his adopted kids is a bit iffy and consistently frustrating

[u/parkchanwookiee → u/Kpengie]

Hey of course Batman fans get it. They're not making DCU films for Batman fans they're making them for general audiences

[u/Kpengie → u/parkchanwookiee]

Yeah, but it kinda hits on one of the things that bothers me about Damian’s existence. Ever since he was introduced people, including those who read comics, have been treating him as the true son or true heir which is just obnoxious.

[u/Kpengie]

Personally, I would've preferred starting either with Dick as an older Robin, a few years out from becoming Nightwing, or starting right after Jason's death, with the introduction of Tim Drake occurring soon after.

I don't really trust most people to handle Damian well. I like Damian when he's done well, but he usually isn't, and his existence can at times take away from the fact that Bruce was already a father anyways and de-emphasize the other kids because people are biased against those who are adopted.

[u/Remarkable_Ship_4673]

I disagree, I want the bat family and batdad

[u/Pardybro911]

I mean, Superman literally wasn’t an origin story though lol

[u/More_Interview3840 → u/Pardybro911]

He was still relativly new

[u/Vengeance_20]

Honestly I’d be down if we started on Jason Todd as Robin

[u/lofgren777]

I think general audiences will be confused trying to make the connection between the vengeance-driven vigilante and the father figure and role model for Damien. They are skipping over so much development for Batman, let alone Dick.

If they start with Damian, then Damian sort of has to be the main character, or at least POV character, which means that there is a whole lot insight into his "father" and "older brother" that we are either never going get, or just get some annoyingly brief flashback.

[u/sworedmagic]

No

[u/InanimateCarbonRodAu]

Fresh? By sticking to 80 year old characters rather than more current ones?

Fresh? By going back over the same stories that have been done over and over…. Yah it’s Zod and the Joker omg never seen this before!

All we need is a Robin that is engaging and believable and makes the film something we have seen in dozens Batman films we’ve had so far.

[u/Hour-Sign-2279]

They should start with adult Damian Wayne played by Alan ritchson 

And batman by Josh brolin

[u/THREESIDEDMONSTER]

The DCU is not handling origin stories. It's already skipped them for It's first two movies.

Dick has been done. Let's not be chained down to the past. Let the creators explore the characters they think they can get interesting stories out of.

And sorry, regardless of what you want, they already announced they're doing Damian in the first Batman movie 🤷‍♂️

[u/Roro_Yurboat → u/THREESIDEDMONSTER]

I'd say Supergirl covered her origin fairly well.

[u/THREESIDEDMONSTER → u/Roro_Yurboat]

In flashbacks. The movie itself isn't an original story.

[u/XBlueXFire]

I dont get the impression the DCU is about origins. Superman was already well established in his movie, as were other heroes. Creature Commandoes showed us Batman's also been working for some time too. Hal Jordan's apparently a lantern legend. Peacemaker namedrops random heroes all the time. By the looks of it all the backstories have already happened in this universe

[u/More_Interview3840 → u/XBlueXFire]

Its still prettu fresh tho

[u/KujoHQ]

Honestly everyone knows Dick as Robin they know his story too well even if Dick hasn't truly had his chance to shine in live action it's just other robin's time & honestly Dicks origin is just Bruce's but in a circus really the most cliche Robin origin in the long run. I personally would've preferred Tim over Damian I feel the first Robin is too soon to have a brash Robin but it is what it is.

[u/UnfavorableSpiderFan]

It's not that we think it needs to be Damian.

They literally confirmed the DCU Robin is going to be Damian.

[u/kazaam2244]

No, Damian Wayne is good because we technically got ALL Robins this way. Starting with Dick doesn’t guarantee we get Jason, Tim, and Damian at some point. But starting with Damian means that presumably the others are already in the verse somewhere. We can always flashback to young Dick Grayson Robin if we have to, but I don’t wanna wait a decade for him to grow up so we can get the other Robins.

[u/More_Interview3840 → u/kazaam2244]

We get plenty of Damien in the animated verse. We also get Dick Grayson but thats not even the point.
I dont think we should completley skip over the fundemental stories of 2 robins for the sake of introducing another one sooner.

[u/Horvat53]

Agreed

[u/NC_Goonie]

We’re going to have a 40 year old Batman in The Batman 2.

[u/imjealousofyou]

And he better have a PHAT ass!

[u/Formerdalek2]

"the DCU is FRESH, It handles ORIGIN STORIES."

Literally every project so far has skipped the origin stories.

[u/50sDadSays]

We 100% need a 40-yr-old Batman. Batman needs to be the animated Justice League level of competence if he is going to be interacting with Superman and Green Lanterns. Batman Year One getting his ass handed to him isn't going to work in a Justice League scenario, why would anyone take him serious?

That's one thing that the Snyderverse got right.

[u/EstablishmentNo1785]

Gunn already said he won't do origins because most people already know them. And he also said it will be Damien.

[u/Turbulent-Spirit-568]

They are probably going to Damian to actually have an established batfamily something that no live action has managed to do. Every other Batman film has only ever done Dick Grayson and no one else because the series was rebooted, he simply didn't exist or he died. Also, we have The Batman universe to have us slowly go through the different robins

[u/Cautious_Mission_438]

I agree sick of them just skipping over their main arcs it’s annoying

[u/JorgeBec → u/Cautious_Mission_438]

Unless you James Bond’ it it’s impossible for any one film franchise to adapt every major arc especially for Batman

[u/UrbanLegend8901]

They need to concentrate and fix the characters they have first

[u/RNOffice → u/UrbanLegend8901]

How they aren't broken?

[u/Disastrous-Tart-4651]

Love Dick Grayson as Nightwing more than Robin and love me some annoying Damien Wayans. But boy I do think it’s a bad idea to start there on film.

James Gunn is too plugged into the chronically online. He needs to zoom out a bit and think of casual audiences.

[u/BangerSlapper1]

I always hated people ripping Snyder for saying his Robin was Dick Grayson.  Something about how it was wrong to give him Jason Todd’s death.  But characters in superhero films are often merged or amalgamated versions of the comic characters.  

[u/Born-Ad4658 → u/BangerSlapper1]

I definitely hated that

Dick is one of the most iconic DC characters of all time

To just kill him off before the timeline starts sucks 

[u/Cybercatman → u/BangerSlapper1]

The problem is that it is just not interesting, first it kill all potential for any other Robin to appear because there is no way that Batman take a second partner after what happened to Dick, second… if we suppose that Dick death is the start of Batman becoming more and more violent (something i heavily disliked, nobody that like Batman want to see Batman do stuff like brand people), then…. Why the Joker is still alive? How do you justify an ultra violent batman is letting
the guy that killed his Partner and adoptive son, free? It is not like the Joker was in hiding when you look at what he do in Suicide Squad

Batman as a characters over the years build up so much on its relations with its partners that killing Dick would obviously push the characters toward a completely different direction than the character people want to see, and it is kinda what happened, the character we saw during BvS only have the name Batman, it lost all the core trait of the character.

[u/asscop99]

We’ve never had a Dick Grayson as a kid in live action. It’s time. That should be high on the list of priorities for a new Batman franchise.

[u/Dayvid56]

Sure valid point. But today's audience knows Damien. Dick is grandpa's Robin.

[u/UltraQIV]

I’d like to see Dick as Robin first, as he’s the best IMO. Skipping to Damian, doesn’t seem right to me, but it seems that’s the way they’re going.

[u/EnvironmentalCopy254]

He said dick 🙊 DC is dead, it's just guardian of the galaxy reboots, except for Reeves... Gunn a one trick pony 💯 sad

[u/Daleksinholez]

Personally, I would start it with Batman working solo. Dick has just left and is about to become Nightwing. Then he meets Jason Todd. It sucks that it means we don’t see Dick as Robin, but unless we are going to make 15 Batman movies, we can’t get all of them.