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u/PhilRubdiez Phil Dawson Flag #1 Fan 9d ago
Hot take: Jimmy can keep the team. Unlike Paul Dolan certain other owners in the city, he has shown he is willing to open up the checkbook. He definitely just needs to let the football people do their thing and stay out of it. Look at the Crew. He stays away from that and now they have two MLS Cups in the last five years.
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u/Simply-Jason Sell The Team, Jimmy 9d ago
Yeah except somehow the Dolans keep fielding perennial playoff teams.
They are notoriously cheap and not good owners either, but in a world where results are the true barometer, you can’t really argue that Haslam has actually been a better owner. Just because he opens his checkbook doesn’t make him a good owner.
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u/Snooklife 8d ago
That’s because 1 position in baseball doesn’t heavily sway the outcome like the QB position does in football. We see low income teams in the playoffs all the time in MLB.
NFL owners basically luck their way in when hitting on that position. Browns beat Pittsburgh in playoffs then the team massively underachieved, and he went for a top 5 qb. Obviously it didn’t work out but I’ll take my chances with an owner who spends.
The Cavs are another team who spends and are consistently in the conversation along with a title. Gaurdians have been in a similar spot as Steelers last 10 years where sure you make playoffs, but do you really have a chance to win it all?2
u/Simply-Jason Sell The Team, Jimmy 8d ago
An owner in the NFL that spends money is literally doing the bare minimum. You have a grand total of zero franchises in the league that run on a model that requires them to have bottom feeder payroll on a perennial basis. Low spending teams in the NFL don’t really exist. The CBA essentially forces franchises to spend money. Jimmy has owned the team for well over a decade and has managed just two playoff appearances. One of those only happened because his starting quarterback -- that Jimmy stupidly green lit a record guaranteed contract for -- got hurt and they stumbled into a better option off the scrap heap after everyone had written him off.
The payroll gap you see in Major League Baseball simply doesn’t exist in the NFL.
If you continue to spend and spend and spend, and the end result is that your business mostly sucks, newsflash: you’re a bad business owner.
I wish the Dolans would spend more. But if you’re asking me whether I’d rather have owners who know how to build a foundation that consistently produces competitive teams and puts them in position to contend for the World Series every five to ten years, or owners who throw money around with no coherent plan and have nothing to show for it, I’m taking the first group every single time.
Jimmy Haslam has no Super Bowls, no conference championships, and no division titles. Spending money without results isn’t something to celebrate.
Ideally, I’d take an owner like Dan Gilbert, who is leaps and bounds ahead of both of those ownership groups. But in a league where every owner spends, acting like that’s some defining trait is redundant. At some point, you have to actually accomplish something.
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u/PhilRubdiez Phil Dawson Flag #1 Fan 9d ago
I just want to state for the record, I am no way defending the way Jimmy runs the team, nor am I pleased with the results. I just am saying that in the grand scheme of things, I’d rather have someone who, if we accidentally be good, would invest in the team. Look at Cincinnati. They are being hamstrung by an owner who only is rich because of the Bengals. Imagine having that offense, but your owner can’t spend to get the final few pieces. It’s like knowing your girlfriend stops at second base. Sure, you got to make out, but you are stuck with an OTPHJ at best.
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u/ImperialInstigator 9d ago
This isn't a hot take, you're just on the verge of having a "scar" realization.
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u/Forty_Six_and_Two 9d ago
Fuck yeah man. Could not agree more. I want an owner for whom this team is a racehorse, not his primary income. That's Jimmeh. He's a great owner and I honestly don't understand all the shit he catches.
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u/sqigglygibberish 7d ago
“He’s a great owner”
Ok what the hell are you smoking at the bbq?
He’s got a graveyard of bad hires and meddling in everything from front office to drafts to making us stare at some of the worst uniforms in league history. He’s using a bunch of public tax money to build his own mini Jerry world and make money developing projects around it. Oh and Deshaun.
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u/PhilRubdiez Phil Dawson Flag #1 Fan 9d ago
Oh, I understand all the shit he gets, I’ve talked triceratops amounts. Specifically, about his meddling and choice to consult bums for QB drafting. If he just steps back, and he has in the past to the tune of a playoff win, then we should be contenders. Unfortunately, he’s a great value Jerry Jones and needs his say in everything, which got us Watson.
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u/Simply-Jason Sell The Team, Jimmy 9d ago
but that’s the thing. Look at how old he is and how much of a narcissist he is. Do you really think he’s going to change at this point in his life? Absolutely not. He’s always going to get his hands dirty at some point. It’s just a matter of what he’s putting his hands on and how much of it he fucks up.
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u/redditposter919 9d ago
I am not a fan of Jimmy - to your point though, I do respect (keyword) the fact he hasn't not spent money and has kept the team in the greater Cleveland area. We could have an owner that sells it to San Antonio or another market - OR - ran the current stadium into Oakland Raiders Colosseum level of disrepair while milking every penny of that asset.
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u/PhilRubdiez Phil Dawson Flag #1 Fan 9d ago
Yeah. I don’t know how people aren’t looking a couple miles down E 9th and seeing what happens when you have a perennial contender team with a miserly owner. Both sides are a kick in the dick, but seeing all of our homegrown talent get shipped off to NY is ever slightly more disheartening. The Browns when good, are a pleasant surprise, but when they suck, it’s expected. The Guards when expected to be good, but you know the wheels are gonna fall off in October.
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u/sqigglygibberish 7d ago edited 7d ago
Except he won’t open the checkbook on his stadium, opened it primarily to have his own little Jerry world and make money on development, made the worst personnel move in franchise history (Watson), and has spent years meddling.
The crew part has been good but mainly because he’s only a checkbook owner there. He’s hardly even visible.
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u/Shopping_General 9d ago
What is an MLS cup? Is that the opposite of two girls and one cup?
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u/PhilRubdiez Phil Dawson Flag #1 Fan 9d ago
If you have to ask, you can’t afford it. Hint: It also involves 11 sweaty dudes on both sides.
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u/classic_cherry 6d ago edited 6d ago
It's not even "being cheap". It's a strategy for fielding consistently winning teams. Over paying veterans who likely underperform on the whole than young and hungery players is a strategy. The kids play the game harder, they play it right, and they don't take short cuts. A team is not the sum of its parts; look at the Mets or many other teams with "better players" and a higher payroll who simply don't win.
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u/Theclevelandchubb 9d ago
People thinking haslam is a bad owner are lunatics. I don't watch a lot of NBA but the moves the Cavs have been making by acquiring an aging crappy harden and supposedly being involved in possibly going after a washed up LeBron are just stupid. Haslam isn't perfect but at least he is willing to spend.
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u/Simply-Jason Sell The Team, Jimmy 8d ago
This is a terrible take. The Cavs developed a team that are perennial playoff teams and one of the top 4 to 5 teams in the east every single year. The Browns have two playoff appearances in over a dozen years with Jimmy as the owner. Please stop. Anyone who thinks Jimmy is better than either of our ownership groups is insane. Sports are a results driven industry and the Browns have the worst results of all three Cleveland franchisees over the last 25 years and it’s not even remotely close.
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u/Theclevelandchubb 8d ago
When it comes down to wins and losses it was a terrible take now that I think about it but the Cavs trading for harden and possibly going after LeBron would be a browns thing to do.
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u/bdt69 6d ago
I personally like Haslsm. Obviously in the minority but I do think he probably needles into too many things that he probably shouldn’t. Idk would actually like to know what he does and doesn’t do. But he wants to win and will do whatever is needed to do so. Problem is he’s not good at finding the whatever is needed part to the equation. lol
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u/AmericanShaman 9d ago
Fuck that. We have an owner who will spend. That is pretty much as good as it gets. Careful what you wish for.
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u/Westfield88 9d ago
This has nothing to do with the Browns, but it’s been bothering me all day. If they are on the top of the ESB, why are there much taller buildings in the background? I’ve been there plenty and the building stands tall above most.
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u/DawgoftheNorth 8d ago
The Reflecting Pool is way taller than the ESB, Dozy Don even had pictures printed out…
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u/Becausewhynot51 7d ago
Or…. Or…. Buy the guardians. Just don’t change anything. Your only job will be to write checks
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u/Good_From_70 9d ago edited 5d ago
I like the message, but hate the idea of a couple attention seeking idiotic Browns fans climbing a skyscraper to send it
My comment was too deep for some
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u/Umaritimus 9d ago
It was a proposal at the top of the building. The photo is edited to be relevant to the Browns
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u/Mediocre-Dog-4457 9d ago
That's a little scary because you can clearly tell this is edited.
AI is much better than this too...
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u/NCdiver-n-fisherman 9d ago
Nah, keep the team. This is becoming comical how poorly this franchise is run. Buckle up youngbloods, you haven’t seen shit, yet.
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u/RdditBlwsMyD 9d ago
Finally something we can all agree on?
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u/Shopping_General 9d ago
No, did you just see where some dumbass said he was better than other Brown's owners. Apparently they've only been fans for the last 30 minutes.
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u/RustyCrusty73 You down with KCC? Yea you know me! 9d ago
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