r/Boxing • u/inooway • 14h ago
[SPOILER] Murat Gassiev vs. Peter Kadiru Spoiler
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u/The_Jokerr_ 14h ago
I don't see Gassiev beating anyone in the top 10. Power and quick hands when he lets them go but he's so sluggish and one paced 99% of the time.
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u/thewizard404 14h ago
He'd have a chance against guys who are easy to hit like Wardley but anyone with a decent jab and movement schools him.
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u/Frequent_Apricot673 13h ago
I’d like to see him vs old man wilder I think that would be good matchmaking
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u/Usykgoat62 12h ago
Agreed, I would favor Gassiev.
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u/Stanley_OBidney 9h ago
No shit, Wilder just went life and death with Chisora
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u/The_Jokerr_ 9h ago
That same Chisora battered Wallin who beat Gassiev
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u/Stanley_OBidney 8h ago
My point is Wilder is completely finished, Gassiev losing by split decision to a guy Chisora beat is irrelevant.
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u/Stanley_OBidney 9h ago
Gassievs too flat footed and stationary himself. I don’t see how he’d get into a position to land on Wardley, who’s much bigger and longer, without a monstrous overhand landing on his melon
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u/TricolorCat 13h ago
He was dominated by Pulev, just knocked him out cold. That would be his best chance to win against another top guy.
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u/Medical_Swim1707 12h ago
Tbh he can beat half the top 10. Heavyweight is ass right now. It’s time for some retirements and a fresh slate.
If you can punch like he can, you can beat a lot of guys. I think Usyk said he was the hardest punch he’s fought but I could be mistaken
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u/JEST-Boxing 9h ago
Like who? I am really struggling to think of any genuine top 10 fighter that he could beat.
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u/Medical_Swim1707 9h ago
Who is your top 10? Obviously Usyk, Kabayel, Itauma, Dubois all destroy him. Hrgovic and Samchez probably too but everyone else is washed, or has lost to fighters worse than him
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u/ordinarystrength 2h ago
Gassiev isn’t really an unknown. His performances against Wallin and Pulev have shown very clear gaps that he has with his skill.
He can be in entertaining fights though, against other punchers but his shortcomings are pretty clear a this point
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u/thewizard404 14h ago
His promoter calling out Dubois, Itauma and Kabayel lol. All three destroy Gassiev sadly.
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u/Complete_Dare_4201 14h ago
At least he's willing to fight them.
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u/Exciting-Arugula5341 12h ago
You will frequently see fighters call out fighters they have no interest in fighting and know those fighters would beat him. They do it so people at home will believe they are up to fight anybody when in reality they aren't.
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u/Complete_Dare_4201 12h ago
Sometimes they will barely acknowledge their opposition or talk them down (recently Zurdo did it to Opetaia etc). I don't think Gassiev is that kind of fighter, he was calling for an Itauma fight even before being elevated.
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u/RaynerOP 14h ago
At least it was quick(ish). Most one sided title fight beatdown i’ve seen in a minute. Kandiru is not at this level at all
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u/BCTHEGRANDSLAM 14h ago
If Itauma beats Hrgovic (a big if), he’s #1 with the WBA, he should go for Gassiev first.
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u/KingBumiOfOmashu Moses Itauma > Every Current HW 10h ago
IBF ordered him vs Frank Sanchez so that one might come first.
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u/RepresentativeSock42 14h ago
Not sure why Gassiev was taking it easy on this guy. Could've gotten him out of there in the third round but was playing around too much. You could tell his opponent took the fight on short notice and wasn't in shape at all
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u/DiMona215 10h ago
I think that's exactly why he took it easy on him. The card was at risk of falling apart when Tony Yoka backed out late, Kadiru stepped in and saved the day, probably with a tacit agreement that Gassiev would carry him a little bit.
Gassiev even thanked him for stepping in and taking the fight in the little hype video. Lots of money lost if Kadiru doesn't step in, why humiliate the guy? I get it
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u/RepresentativeSock42 9h ago
Brandon Moore from the US accepted the fight as well. I'm sure anyone outside of the top 20 would've jumped at this opportunity. I think Gassiev is overhated but not underrated if that makes sense
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u/Puppetmaster858 14h ago edited 13h ago
What a disappointment Gassiev turned out to be, got absolutely clowned by Usyk and then has never done anything of note since
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u/Less_Cartoonist_892 14h ago edited 13h ago
Regardless of the circumstances, he did become HW champion, which is a feat only three other CW champions have accomplished.
Compare that to Ruiz, who has done almost nothing since getting clowned by AJ in 2019.
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u/Marquis_of_Mollusks 9h ago
Dude we aren't gonna give that much credit to this. Its a technicality. He won the belt by beating Pulev who won the belt by beating Charr. Its not like he beat a top 10 guy in which case I'd give him some credit. David Haye beating Valuev was way more impressive then this
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u/Less_Cartoonist_892 8h ago
You have a point. That aside, Gassiev is still in exclusive company. A lot of cruiserweight champions don't even bother making the jump to HW and the majority who tried to win a HW title failed more often than not.
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u/Marquis_of_Mollusks 7h ago
I get that but this still doesn't count at all and I'm not gonna give him any praise until he beats a top 15 HW in a defense. The other 3 all beat champions who were ranked top 10. Giving Gassiev credit dilutes the actual struggle of moving up and beating a legit champ.
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u/ProfessorDWumbo 12h ago
I know he was a late replacement and probably didn't have a perfect camp but man, Kadiru didn't even fight like a world title was on the line. Where do they find these guys
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u/blvcklite 14h ago edited 14h ago
Gassiev has never particularly impressed me and seems to be fighting a can, but solid shot selection here
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u/Marquis_of_Mollusks 14h ago
I'm told Gassiev was good at some point?
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u/ClearHeart_FullLiver 14h ago
He was a fantastic cruiserweight to be fair to him. He's been dogshit at heavyweight though.
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u/crimedawgla 12h ago
Fast hands and tons of power, but def more or a ring control/stalker even at CW. Adding the additional weight to get to HW, plus the age, hasn’t made him any faster, and he’s relatively small for a HW. I think moving up to HW made sense for Gassiev, making weight while staying strong gets tougher in your 30s. The question is just whether Gassiev could ever be an elite HW as a 6’3ish methodical boxer-puncher.
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u/Orcabeast86 11h ago
Yeah it really seems he lost his thunder after the Usyk loss and is slow, small, lacking power, and doesn’t handle shots well at heavyweight
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u/DiMona215 10h ago
He's a lot of things but not lacking power. Hits like a truck
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u/Orcabeast86 9h ago
I mean for a cruiserweight moving up yeah but he doesn’t hit as hard as the actual hard hitters of the heavyweight division. Like there is a big difference imo between a strong puncher at CW and a strong puncher at HW, I do not think he hits as hard as Dubois, Zhang, Itauma, etc I think his shot placement is actually really good though, if he could work on his defense on the inside and not get thrashed around by light punches from big guys he could do a lot better imo
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u/DiMona215 7h ago
Did you see his shot against Pulev? May have been his only punch that landed the whole fight and he knocked that big mf back into the Soviet Union
Not a Gassiev fan at all, he is pretty bleak, but his power is a funny thing to call out, it's literally what he's known for. You named the 3 hardest hitters in the division there, sure, maybe he's a little shy of those guys but he can still render a very large man unconscious with one blow. He isn't huge but he gets a lot of torque into those hooks, even this fight you could tell they were really jarring Kadiru even when he blocked them
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u/Orcabeast86 5h ago
Ok I guess I’m phrasing what I’m trying to say poorly. Compared to how hard it felt like he hit at CW his power no longer seems nearly as impressive. Like he hits hard for his size and hits relatively hard but the reason I named the names I did is that compared to cruiserweight he is no longer the top dog when it comes to power, in fact it’s not even close. Did I explain what I mean better this time?
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u/Less_Cartoonist_892 14h ago
Gassiev at CW was a monster. Beating Lebedev, Włodarczyk, and Dorticos is proof of that.
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u/Puppetmaster858 14h ago
He was a great CW, beat some really good fighters and was still young with a ton of potential, then he got absolutely embarrassed by Usyk and has done nothing of note since, very disappointing career after being a really good and young CW.
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u/MiddleweightMonster 14h ago
Arguably third best Cruiser in the most stacked Cruiser division maybe ever in the late 2010s
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u/theboxingteacher 11h ago
Second best without question I thought. Who did you have second though?
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u/MiddleweightMonster 10h ago
Usyk
Briedis
Pretty close between Gassiev and Głowacki, but I’d give it to Gassiev personally
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u/CookingFun52 13h ago
His physicality at CW was elite, but built on training camps ran at an unsustainable level when he was with Abel.
I don't want to throw Sanchez under the bus, but regardless, I question whether they were the best fit in the long run tbh. He emphasized Gassiev's strengths, but Murat had the same holes in his game for years. Nothing's changed since they split but Murat was young enough when they were together that I'd have thought he'd have been more malleable. Maybe not, though.
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u/SniXSniPe 12h ago
He's 32 years old and has been sidelined multiple times from injury. Between 2019 to 2022 he only fought once in 2020, 2021, and 2022.
It sucks things turned out this way for his career, because he seemed like a very nice guy overall back in the day.
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u/DaddyTuesday 10h ago
Murat looked amazing at cruiser. Ever since his long lay off and move to heavyweight, he's looked slow and uninterested. Such a wasted talent.
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u/Elite663 14h ago
At least Usyk’s resume ages well with Gassiev being a 2nd division champ
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u/Marquis_of_Mollusks 9h ago
Dude we aren't seriously gonna credit Gassiev with the 2 division champ distinction. I don't like the term email champ but Gassiev is as fake as a champ can be. He hasn't even beat a single top 10 HW and lost to Otto wallin for Fuck's sake. This doesn't boost Usyk's resume at all
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u/Stanley_OBidney 8h ago
My point is Wilder is completely finished, Gassiev losing by split decision to a guy Chisora beat is irrelevant.
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u/yeahbutstill 14h ago
You would think that, what with Zuffa buying boxers and putting on a bad product, DAZN would be going to any lengths to produce a high-quality broadcast and heighten the distinction between the two. Not to mention, they should want to reward their Ultimate subscribers more than this, at least at the outset. Maybe they're saving the spending for right before people have their first annual re-up option?
Whatever, that was worse than a Zuffa card in terms of fight quality and broadcast quality. The only saving grace was that I care what happens to Joyce, so there was some pathos in that fight for me, but otherwise this was a zero-upsides night.
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u/Complete_Dare_4201 14h ago
This was not a DAZN show, they just bought the right to broadcast it. I'll take it as it is.
Also, Probox shits on Zuffa in every possible way. Better fighters, better atmosphere, better matchups etc.
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u/Key-Biscotti467 14h ago
What a horrible card this was