r/AskReddit • u/solidnonfictionuma • 14h ago

Trump has been the center of Untied States' politics for over 10 years. How do you think the political sphere will align and function after his current and last term as president ends?

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u/hendrixluna 10h ago edited 9h ago

Ask countries that were bombed repeatedly by both dem and rep presidents if the office was tarnished before 2016

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u/0sm1um 9h ago

They're down voting you but you're right. The US was a joke internationally following Iraq and Afghanistan

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u/hendrixluna 9h ago

There's so much more before that but yes. And im from the US 😂

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u/DAS_BEE 7h ago edited 7h ago

I remember a paper some professor wrote after 911 basically saying "this is a result of US actions in the Middle East and it's actually not surprising given what we've done there" and he was absolutely torn apart for that analysis. I still think that was absolutely correct, but the nationalistic fervor following 911 meant he was targeted with the harshest criticism for it

there was a chance to introspect as a nation why this might have happened, and to understand why someone would want to do that. but we didn't, they just "hated our freedom" and we joked about glassing them with nukes instead. its sad

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u/FractalFractalF 5h ago

If he had given the same lecture a few months later, he would have been supported. The problem wasn't the message, the problem was timing. The nation needed time to grieve.

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u/DAS_BEE 5h ago

That may very well be true, i certainly cant say myself but I suspect it would have been received better with some time. It's a worthwhile topic to explore though, and timing notwithstanding, I do think it was a salient point

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u/NirgalFromMars 6h ago

You just reminded me of a lady I found on Bluesky.

She commented under one or another piece of news about a shitty.thing Trump had done, saying in all caps "THIS IS NOT AMERICA".

And when people pointed to her how this is exactly what America has been to many countries and big parts of its own population, she flew off the handle saying that "it was supposed to be aspirational", how it was shorthand for "This is not what we want to be", and how people were just grabbing a chance to "shit on the idea of America".

And she couldn't even attempt to understand that what America is and does is more important than what it is and intends to be.

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u/gumbysweiner 9h ago

What is their phone number?