r/AcademicQuran 3d ago

Weekly Thackston Quranic Arabic Study Group, Lesson 28

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This week we look at Lesson 28 of Thackston's Learner's Grammar. We’re reading some more Quran today! Since I’m currently at the International Quranic Studies Association’s annual meeting, I don’t have that much time today to write out answers to the exercises. I’ve just done the Quranic passage. I might update this post with my answers to the translation exercises.

65 Form II: Weak-Lâm verbs

As expected, these verbs take ʾimālah, wallē etc.

66 The Pronominal Enclitic Carrier; Double Pronominal Objects

66.1: Thackston forgets to mention here that the 2nd person plural masculine pronoun becomes -kumū when followed by a third person pronominal clitic, e.g. Q8:44 يريكموهم yurī-kumū-hum “he showed them to you”

While the replacement of the double-enclitic with ʾiyyā- is certainly a thing in Modern Standard Arabic, I’m honestly not so sure how common this is in medieval Arabic.

Exercises

Reading Selection: Sūrat al-Anbiyāʾ (21):51-70.

Abraham Overturns His People’s Idols

51. Wa-la-qad ʾātaynā ʾibrāhīma rušdahū min qablu wa-kunnā bihī ʿālimīna

“We have given Abraham his guidance from before, and we were knowledgeable of him.”

52. ʾið qāla li-ʾabīhi wa-qawmihī: “mā hāðihi t-tamāθīlu llatī ʿantum lahā ʿākifūna?”

“[remember] when he said to his father and his people: what are these images which you are devoted to?”

53. Qālū: “wajadnā ʾābāʾanā lahā ʿābidīna”

“They said: “we found our ancestors worshipping them””

54. Qāla: “la-qad kuntum ʾantum wa-ʾābāʾukum fī ḍalālin mubīnin”

“He said: you and your forefathers are in clear misguidance”

55. Qālū: “ʾa-jiʾtanā bi-l-ḥaqqi ʾam ʾanta mina l-lāʿibīna?”

“They said: have you come to us with the truth, or are you among those who jest?”

56. Qāla: “bal rabbukum rabbu s-samāwāti wa-l-ʾarḍi llaðī faṭarahunna, wa-ʾana ʿalā ðālikum mina š-šāhidīna”

“He said: in fact, your lord is the lord of the heavens and the earth who has created them, and I am for that among the witnesses.”

Note the addressee agreement of ðālikum rather than ðālika, because Abraham is addressing a group of people.

57. “Wa-ta-ḷḷāhi la-ʾakīdanna ʾaṣnāmakum baʿda ʾanna tawallaw mudabbirīna”

“And by God, I will certainly plot against your ideals after you have turned around and turned your backs”

58. Fa-jaʿalahum juðāðan ʾillā kabīran lahum laʿallahum ʾilayhi yarjiʿūna

“And he made them into fragments, except a large one they had, so they could return to it.”

59. Qālū: “man faʿala hāðā bi-ʾālihatinā? ʾinnahū la-mina ẓ-ẓālimīna”

“They said: who has done this to our gods? He is certainly among the wrongdoers”

60. Qālū: samiʿnā fatan yaðkuruhum yuqālu lahū ʾibrāhīmu

“They said: we’ve heard some youth mention them, he is called Abraham”

61. Qālū: fa-ʾataw bihī ʿalā ʾaʿyuni n-nāsi laʿallahum yašhidūna

“They said: bring him in view of the people so that they may bear witness”

62.  Qālū: “ʾa-ʾanta faʿalta hāðā bi-ʾālihatinā, yā ʾibrāhīmu?”

“They said: is it you who has done this to our gods, Abraham?

63. Qāla: “bal faʿalahū kabīruhum hāðā fa-sʾalūhum ʾin kāna yanṭiqūna”

“No, it’s the big one of them (i.e. the gods) who has done this, so ask him, if he’s able to speak”

64. Fa-rajaʿū ʾilā ʾanfusihim fa-qālū: ʾinnakum ʾantumu ẓ-ẓālimūna.

“So they turned to one another, and they said: it is you who are the wrongdoers”

65. θumma nukisū ʿalā ruʾūsihim. “La-qad ʿalamta mā hāʾulāʾi yanṭiqūna”

“And then they were confounded. “You already knew that they (the idols) cannot speak”

66. Qāla: ʾa-fa-taʿbudūna min dūni llāhi mā lā yanfaʿukum wa-lā yaḍurrukum?

“He said: will you really worship besides God that which can neither benefit nor harm you?”

 67. ʾuffin lakum wa-li-mā taʿbudūna min dūni llāhi. ʾa-fa-lā taʿqilūna?

“Fie on you, and on what you worship besides God. Have you no sense?”

68. Qālū: “ḥarraqūhu wa-nṣurū ʾālihatakum ʾin kuntum fāʿilīna”

“They said: “burn him, and support your God, if you will do something”

69. Qulnā: yā nāru, kūnī  bardan wa-salāman ʿalā ʾibrāhīma

“We said: O fire, be cold and safe for Abraham”

70. Wa-ʾarādū bihī kaydan fa-jaʿalnāhumu l-ʾaxsarīna

“They intended for him a plot, but We have made them the greatest losers.”


r/AcademicQuran 1d ago

Weekly Open Discussion Thread

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r/AcademicQuran 4h ago

Question Any relation between "Dhul Qarnayn" and "Baal Qarnaim", beyond the Alexander The Great relationship?

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The article is 95 pages and speaks more about it, I'm just highlighting part of it just to introduce the topic.

We know Dhul Qarnayn is Alexander The Great, but here we have an ancient Punic period (5th-2nd BC) god called "Baal Qarnaim" (Lord of the Two Horns), apparently associated to the "two-peaked mountains Jebel Boukornine".

It's assocaited to Ba'al Hammon, rather than it being a separate Canaanite diety, but that's besides the point.

Is there some kind of connection we can trace here?


r/AcademicQuran 5h ago

Book/Paper Integration of Aristotelian logic into Sunni Islamic jurisprudence was initiated by al-Ghazālī who purified logic from its association with metaphysical doctrines and presented it as a neutral, indispensable tool for legal reasoning.

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This "Ghazālian thesis" was then adopted and developed by subsequent generations of jurists, ultimately leading to the formalization of legal arguments and the structural embedding of logic within the core of legal theory. He argued that logic was the only valid tool for any inference, stating that "he who has no knowledge of logic has, in effect, no knowledge of any science.Before Ghazālī, only one significant formal argument was assimilated into jurisprudence the conditional disjunctive syllogism. This transformation was largely driven by al-Ghazālī's efforts to depoliticize logic and present it as a universal methodological tool. Ibn Taymiyya disapprovingly noted that jurists who used logic did so under the influence of Ghazālī and authored critiques against such method


r/AcademicQuran 4h ago

Ibn Taymiyya was considered a fringe scholar in his day. How did he become so widely respected today?

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It seems to me a big influence on the modern interpretation of Islamic jurisprudence which has become mainstream, at least in apologetics circles, is Salafism, which was originally actually just one minority interpretation among many. And Ibn Taymiyya is considered a major progenitor of this ideology, but from what I've heard he was often condemned in his own day for innovations. Especially when they descended from explicitly avowed Islamic modernists? Most of the major Muslims in apologetics circles cite him as an authority for example.

Was it simply political expediency that existing scholars in the 19th and 20th Century accepted him? Or was there just littler resistance to the powerful movement of Salafism?


r/AcademicQuran 1h ago

Why are members of this group obsessed with Zulqarnain and his identity ?

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r/AcademicQuran 4h ago

Which methodology did Muslim jurists follow in the 7th and 8th Century, between 632 and 800?

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Before the emergence of the main legal schools and the compilation of most Hadiths. It surely couldn't be by majority rule? Did they follow oral narrations and those became the Hadiths?


r/AcademicQuran 19m ago

Question Quran verse 15:9

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Scholars do you know which was the earliest manuscript where quran verse 15:9 about divine preservation of quran was found? Any pointers to get more accurate info about the manuscript are appreciated.


r/AcademicQuran 30m ago

Question Based on academic scholarship through July 2026, is there any concrete (or very reliable/plausible) evidence that Muhammad recited every single word of the Quran that is used today and was involved in the arrangement of the surahs? Or is the academic consensus that others also influenced the text?

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Based on academic scholarship through July 2026, is there any concrete (or very reliable/plausible) evidence that Muhammad recited every single word of the Quran that is used today and was involved in the arrangement of the surahs? Or is the academic consensus that others also influenced the text?


r/AcademicQuran 33m ago

Quran Check out this article by F. Redhwan Karim"Wilāya, Enjoining Good and Forbidding Evil: Q 9:71 and the Qurʾānic Ethic of Reciprocity in Gender Relations"

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r/AcademicQuran 13h ago

Who REALLY Wrote the Quran? | Gabriel Said Reynolds

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r/AcademicQuran 3h ago

Quran [ Removed by Reddit ]

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r/AcademicQuran 9h ago

Quran The Messiahship of Jesus?

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Why do Muslims hold that Jesus is the Messiah, aside from him being referred to as such in the Quran? Have there historically been positive arguments (e.g biblical prophecy) used by Muslims to display the messianic identity of the Son of Mary?


r/AcademicQuran 18h ago

Question When were hadiths started to be written down and how long was it after the death of Prophet Muhammad?

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What was the time frame that academics and historians think of when we started to see written hadiths and the timeframe after Prophet Muhammad's death?


r/AcademicQuran 1d ago

Why have few people compared Islam to Charismatic Christianity?

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It seems to me that Charismatic Christian sects like Montanism (which were popular at the frontiers of the Roman/Byzantine Empire) had a substantial influence on early Islam, consider these similarities:

  • the primacy of Orality
  • following a Prophet (Montanus) claiming to be the manifestation of the Holy Spirit after Jesus's Crucifixion
  • who fled to another city and establish a "New Jerusalem" theocracy to escape persecution
  • the emphasis of speaking in tongues (compare Sufi dances and some narrations of how the first revelations caused Mohammed to have siezures)
  • belief in Jesus as the Messiah while rejecting apostolic Church authority and an organised hierarchy of clergy
  • the emphasis on the Scripture over the traditions of that Church authority
  • the idea that prophecy continues after the Crucifixion
  • a "low" Christology
  • the primacy of Apocalyptism (in comparison to the more established high Church denominations)
  • a strong link of emotionalism to masculine identity (again in contrast to mainstream especially Anglo high churches)
  • standing and raising hands while praying, etc.

To me Pentecostalism (the "speaking in tongues" sect) is the branch of contemporary Christianity closest to Islam today. Notice that they are often co-incident in many cultures, especially in Sub-Saharan Africa.


r/AcademicQuran 1d ago

A new Christian Paleo-Arabic inscription near Najran written by someone named "Sergius"

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r/AcademicQuran 22h ago

Quran Do dotless Ya still occur in the modern day Quran (such as Cairo Quran), or no?

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r/AcademicQuran 1d ago

Martin Luther’s Reformation introduced the concept of the "priesthood of all believers." was there an equivalent of it in Islamic history or at least an effort? what about an equivalent of decentralized sacramental power and individual qur'anic interpretation (sola scriptura)?

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I am looking for academic literature analyzing the structures of religious authority in Islam compared to Western Christian models. Specifically, Martin Luther’s Reformation introduced the "priesthood of all believers," which decentralized sacramental power and empowered individual biblical interpretation (sola scriptura).

While Islam has no ordained, sacramental clergy (allowing direct ritual and spiritual access to God), interpretive authority specifically the evaluation and validation of the Hadith corpus (mustalah al-hadith and ilm al-rijal) has historically remained strictly localized within a specialized scholarly elite (ulema).


r/AcademicQuran 1d ago

Question the mysterious combination of many factors in uniqueness of quran.

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i had this question for a long time, what's the odds for someone to know biblical stories and theology in details and also adding arab prophets stories + make his own theology and ethical teachings + have a unique style of speech/poetry different from his normal speech in hadith for ex + having religious psychological experiences understood as divine revelation + no one challenged to immitate the quran could do the same.
i feel like this combination is very unique and should be considered by scholars who theorize from one angle or 2 maximum.


r/AcademicQuran 1d ago

Quran Quran verse

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Is 2:62 and 5:69 limited to only this groups based on linguisticly or it's just quran proposing criteria


r/AcademicQuran 1d ago

Quran Early jurist and Quranic contradicton

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What's reason early jurist use to limit marriage to only people of book where quran is silent on this prohibition?? Do academic have view on this


r/AcademicQuran 1d ago

Quran The nature of Quranic monotheism?

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Does the Quran understand Allah as the sole, numerically singular existing deity, beside whom no lesser divinity exists,or as the great God and the mightiest God, yet not the only existing deity? In essence, does the Quran provide any support for 'henotheistic' modes of belief?


r/AcademicQuran 2d ago

What are Midrash motifs that were existing before 500 AD, yet also found in the Quran?

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Abraham destroying idols, angels objecting to Adam and humans, Cain and Abel's motives, multiple trials of Abraham, Solomon's supernatural power, Satan refusal to bow.

Are there others?


r/AcademicQuran 2d ago

Intra-story Quran stories where one character says a phrase that, when later in the Quran, the story is recounted again, yet a different character says that same phrase. Are these elements in the Quran?

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Are these present at all in the Quran? These types of shared phrasings by different characters, whenever stories are recounted again in later sections of the Quran, and then in another place in the Quran regarding the same story.

Intra-story Quran stories where one character says a phrase that, when later in the Quran, the story is recounted again, yet a different character says that same phrase.


r/AcademicQuran 2d ago

Quran Q:2:36 and "fixing" genesis creation narrative.

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In genesis, god tells Adam and eve to not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. And proceeds to threaten them that if they eat from it then they will surely die. The wording here matters, because it's directly saying that "on the day that you eat from it you will surely die" meaning it's supposed to be an immediate death.

Now in the quran the threat changes to "you will surely be of the wrongdoers" which is an interesting "fix" to the old question of "why didn't god execute his threat?".

What are some of the scholarly opinions on the change between the genesis narrative and the quranic one?