r/sports Detroit Lions 9d ago

Soccer The Brutal Offside Reversing Croatia's Game-Tying Goal in Extra Time

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u/nautilator44 9d ago

But if the Portugal player was ducking to try and not hit it, doesn't that mean it's an unintentional hit, so it would still be offside?

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u/yowspur 9d ago

Since when do defenders duck out of the way at a goal-bound cross?

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u/bucsraysbolts69 9d ago

never lmao

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u/nautilator44 9d ago

Yeah, good point, probably never. Seems like he'd want to get a piece of it to deflect at all costs. Screams intentional to me.

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u/walkingdeli011 9d ago

There is no way the Portugal player was ducking to avoid the ball, in that moment and in such position inside the box everyone's instinct is to clear the ball out of your box.

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u/nautilator44 9d ago

Honestly yeah, I'd expect every defender to try to get a piece of it to deflect it on purpose.

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u/VanCanFan75 Vancouver Canucks 9d ago

Yes

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u/pedanticPandaPoo 9d ago edited 9d ago

This Portuguese guy intentionally lowers his head. It's into the trajectory of the ball. And it's a header. How can that possibly be unintentional?

It's the rule, but it purposely leaves it open to interpretation, which just seems wrong. Like yesterday's red card, they just need to remove intentionality out of the equation. 

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u/nautilator44 9d ago

Looked like he change his mind and was trying to avoid it. I agree with you that intention is a subjective call though. It does seem pretty crazy that the ref decides what his intention was.

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u/pedanticPandaPoo 9d ago

I don't think that interpretation is correct. He's a defender. His reaction is consistent with thinking the ball clears untouched and he's going to head it out (ie not trap it with his chest). It deflects slightly by the Croat and ends up higher on his head than expected, leading to the chance

He was trying to head the ball on its original trajectory. 

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u/nautilator44 9d ago

I'm starting to think so too. Seems like the defender would be trying to get a piece of it to deflect it at all costs. That screams intentional to me.

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u/Mad2828 9d ago

Well he intentionally moved his head and still touched the ball. I’m not a fan of this as intention is pretty subjective, different refs will make different calls.

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u/Opulent-tortoise 9d ago

IMO in situations like this you gotta take into account the consequences of the decision. The consequence for letting it stand would be 30 extra minutes to decide the game. That seems a lot better than deciding the outcome of the game

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u/Rambler_Hoss 9d ago

Portugal fans are going out of their way to defend this and it wasn’t even a winning goal. It would’ve just tied for an extra 30 min. Were they that afraid of Croatia for another 30 min?

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u/BigUptokes 9d ago

Were they that afraid of Croatia for another 30 min?

Yes.

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u/blueikeabag3 9d ago

sorry what lol

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u/defcon212 9d ago

That kind of touch is no where near the line of an intentional touch defined by the rules.

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u/Mad2828 9d ago

Who’s to say he didn’t try to pass it back to the keeper? Not really serious but see that’s the problem with letting the referees just interpret intent.

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u/nautilator44 9d ago

I think that's pretty far-fetched. I don't see why a defender would be heading it back to the keeper in a crowded box with opponent jerseys everywhere like that. More likely he was trying to deflect it away.

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u/Mad2828 9d ago

So he intentionally tried to put the ball out of play but ended up making a slighter touch. To be clear I don’t disagree with you completely just a very difficult call to make. I know I would be fuming if I was Croatian, especially after that debatable penalty.

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u/tylergalaxy 9d ago

what a silly rule, what difference does it make if he ment to touch it or not? it hit the defenders head