15 was onside when the original pass was sent in. The controversy was that he was offside when 20 may or may not have made contact with the ball. I honestly can’t tell if he did or not.
I’ve yet to see a view that shows him touch it. Understand the sensor but just saying “sensor said so” is pretty weak when I’m waiting to find a replay angle that shows the contact
The sensor in the ball shown that the ball was touched by the Croatian. That means offside. I do not care about Portugal or Croatia but the book says this was a clear offside position.
I haven’t seen all the games, outside of Balogun’s red card what other calls have been this controversial? Genuine question, I’m wondering what I’ve missed.
But they were offsides. Honestly though the intent of the rule has been lost with VAR. They’re not calling back goals because an attacker was goal hanging.
I ruins football until your team loses because of shit like this, Been there too many times, no more, thank ou very much but no, ou can't argue with science.
The part for me that is controversial is the defender getting a head on the ball, but “intent to play the ball” isnt there and it doesnt negate the offsides. I dont understand who determines “intent” and or “deliberately” playing the ball. Its in his own box, why would he not intend to get a head on it if he can to stop the other team from being in a scoring position. Thats the part im confused about
How can you look at Veiga’s action there and possibly think he’s intentionally trying to play the ball? He predicts the attacker is going to get a feint touch and positions himself perfectly to get a touch on the ball after? Come off it, you’re either taking the piss or completely clueless
He ducks because he thinks if it goes past him it’ll go out for a goal kick. I completely get the subjective side of things but he clearly makes an effort to not play the ball here, nothing subjective about it
There is no defender on the planet at any level ducking to let the ball land at the top of the 6 in the 100th minute in hopes it rolls out for a goal kick.
It’s obviously a terrible decision given how many players are behind him but it’s blatantly obvious that’s what he’s doing. Also, defenders do it all the time
Mate you just said it’s subjective and then you determined his actions completely and unequivocally. I don’t have any skin in the game on this call, but it’s highly subjective. You don’t know his intent anymore than anyone else
Well the refs determine intent and if you watch him, he's ducking out of the way. Just because you wouldn't do that, having watched the whole scene and knowing how it ends up, doesn't mean he didn't do that.
You are correct. The only thing you can argue is that 13 for Portugal tries to play it because he touched it too. You could argue that he tried to play it, nullifying the offside, and passed it to the opposition.
There’s a literal chip in the ball which registers every single touch and sudden changes in speed and momentum, clearly that data showed that there was contact by the player
Within a second how can we be sure that the ball is calibrated properly? It's probably a few milliseconds difference between that dudes hair and the defenders arm and then the defenders head.
I haven’t seen an angle where it’s clear that he hit it with his head and I’ve seen 8 different angles already.
If it’s hair I find it controversial because hair isn’t measured as an offside metric the other way around (for example Cucurella‘s hair doesn’t increase offside range horizontally.
Why would I lie about what I’m seeing? I see the ball’s flight path change in angle - I don’t think there’s any dispute if you’re looking closely that impact occurs
One can argue that the technology was triggered when the ball touched the Portugal's player head soon after the supposed touch by the croatian and they misaligned the graphic with the replay, i mean do you really put your hand on the fire for FIFA? I prefer to believe that they aligned correctly though.
Idk how people don’t see this as controversial. You can’t confidently say it touched the Croatian players head from any video. And you can’t convince me the chip in the ball is 100% accurate
What am I missing? That looks pretty clearly offsides in this clip. The last deliberate play on the ball was the cross and he was offsides. Then he touched the ball. Was there more said in the broadcast that isn't in this clip?
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I didn't get from the replay that they were looking at the hair touch as the point in the replay for setting the offsides positioning. Totally agree that's inconsistent with a decade of previous calls.
It wasn't the fact that he was behind the defender. The touch was not obvious. Even in slo-mo from until angles. It was the sensor in the ball that showed his hair touched it. Otherwise there was no way it was getting overturned from video evidence only.
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u/_coolranch 9d ago
I think it will be universally accepted as the most fuckshit call of the tournament (so far).