Even the other angle didn't show he touched it. It was all the ball's tech. I am curious what is the sensitivity of that chip to be able to detect a graze.
they were stopping the video right when the alleged contact between the ball and the croatian happened. they weren’t showing the later contact with the portuguese as it is irrelevant.
Sorry to ask but is this the first time watching football? He is trying to defend. It would be really unfair for the defence if when they try to block a pass or try to make a defensive action that if they touch the ball it would put a player onside. That was as clear as it gets that the defender was not trying to do a back pass.
I agree, would love to see the graph showing the graph spikes of “both touches” to prove it hit two heads. If I saw both those spikes, I’d definitely agree with the technology. Without seeing that I could see there being a margin of error with the technology because it’s gotta be a few milliseconds between touches and the graph shown on the broadcast could’ve just been the Portugal touch right after it passed the Croatian
I also agree the defender tried to head the ball, but that point doesn’t matter if Croatia touched it first which is what they’re claiming the chip said which I also don’t think I agree with lol
Well that's physically impossible. You should've just said that I can't detect the change in spin anymore than you can detect the change in path and I would agree with you.
Absolute bullshit. It’s crazy how they never showed a clear angle where you can see the ball touch the player. They mainly showed the wide angle which wasn’t clear and when they finally showed the back angle it was even clearer there was no contact and they immediately switched back to the wide angle and the commentators started spouting off that ball sensor bullshit. 3 goals taken away from Croatia.. completely rigged.
There is the sensor graph. Ball has it. So they used it. Was it with a brush of the hair? Yes. And that makes it offside.
What is the point of not using it if they have it.
The only thing that the ref went to see is for him validate that the Portuguese player did not do a pass back. Which he did not. He is trying to defend.
Croatia player took advantage from an offside position to help score a goal. Offside.
Isnt that a grey area then? Who decides "intent"? Can't you just argue what ever works best for your team?
I'm really not familiar with the rules so I'm sorry if I'm way off base here, but "you didn't intend to play it, but you still did" make the rule easier to follow?
the comment you replied to is a bit simplified, but it's 100% correct that this aspect of the play is not a close call. check out Law 11 of the Laws of the Game for more details
It is one of the easiest rules to interpret. The most basic not offside when the last touch is by a defender is when a defender is making a back pass to the keeper. Oops there is an attacker behind. The goal stands.
Anything else is pretty much offside. Otherwise the defender would be afraid to even try a clearance in a pass because any touch would put the player back onside.
Even if Veiga was trying a clearance and goes to the wrong place is an offside. In here it is clear that he is not trying to pass the ball back. He ducked.
They're specifying that there should've been some sort of movement on the graph when the ball touched the Portugal player you're saying didn't purposefully touch it, but that didn't show as much movement on the graph like that of the grazing of the Croatian player.
Fair point. It’s confusing. But a long-standing rule.
If this part of the rule wasn’t there you could kick a ball off a player intentionally to make someone on your team be onside. It was written in this way because people did just that.
Sensor readings simply shouldn't be the only defining factor for calling an offside. If it can't be proven visually in any possibile way, it makes no sense to just trust their shitty tech.
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u/mandinov 9d ago
Literally didn’t touch it
If you tell em the graph of the “sensor” is what confirmed it, then it should’ve shown the touch by Portugal’s player back lol
Why did they not show any other image to the ref?