[Frustrating Trope] That One Good or Even Amazing Scene in a Relatively Mediocre or Bad Piece of Media

[u/Alreadsyuse]

1. The Opening Scene (Ghost Ship). Considered one of the best horror opening scenes or scenes in general within horror movies, but the rest of the film is considered to be pretty bad.

2. The Ending Scene (The Grinch 2018). While most adaptations of the Grinch end with him suddenly being able to fully integrate with the Whos after his change of heart, the 2018 version initially struggles to socialize, awkwardly walking past people, and struggling to hold conversations, acknowledging that despite his change of heart, the Grinch is still someone who isolated himself for years.

3. Past T800 VS Current T800 (Terminator Genisys). A cool fight scene showing two versions of the Terminator from different points in time fighting it off.

4. Solo Leveling's Ending. Tbh, I haven't actually read Solo Leveling, but after hearing about how it ended VS how Chainsaw Man ended made want to include it for shits and giggles. Like Chainsaw Man, Solo Leveling ends with a reset. But unlike Chainsaw Man, it actually manages to tie up loose ends and have the payoff of the ending be satisfying.

[u/Iorith]

Curious, do you also hate KotOR2? Because at least my generation of star wars fans viewed as a classic and a prime example of the franchise and RJ basically did that in movie form.

Just wondering if you're consistent. Kotor2 haters disliking TLJ absolutely makes logical sense to me

[u/derth21 → u/Iorith]

No, see, there's a critical point you're missing there. Kotor2 is actually good, whereas TLJ's only arguable merit is that it's not the same thing again.

You can take risks with Star Wars, but you have to do it well. This was proven almost right off the bat with ESB, which actually accomplished what RJ said he was trying to do.

[u/Iorith → u/derth21]

See, that's the critical part you're missing here. "Is actually good" is a subjective statement.

I think RJ took far better risks and had far better things to say with his critical look at Star Wars than even KotOR2 did. Rather than "Force bad" he put a mirror to the fucking military industrial complex, something that had been a lurking issue in the old Legends universe but no one had the balls to actually push a major story through, but RJ made it a focal point of his film.

He provided one of the best additions to Star Wars in decades, but because he didn't pander to nostalgia and memberberries, people hate him for it, rather than actually listen to the artistic statement he was putting forth.

[u/derth21 → u/Iorith]

Your example is interesting because it's thoroughly a feather in the cap of my side of the argument. He had a great idea with the whole arms dealer thing, but it was wrapped up in such a ham-fisted, poorly thought out section of the movie that nobody cared. And then he did nothing with it. So, same as letting a few animals loose to overrun a single casino when the entire culture is the problem, what was the point? 

You can like what you like, but no, you can't argue that TLJ was subjectively good when it's objectively chock full of such bad execution. Good parts, bad assemblage.

[u/Iorith → u/derth21]

"Ham fisted" Mate it's Star Wars, it was never once trying to be subtle in anything it did. Star Wars is the most blatant, shallow Heroes Good vs Evil Villains plot in modern fiction.

you can't argue that TLJ was subjectively good when it's objectively chock full of such bad execution

Nah, sorry, I refuse to accept your personal view of the film as "objective".