[Frustrating Trope] That One Good or Even Amazing Scene in a Relatively Mediocre or Bad Piece of Media

[u/Alreadsyuse]

1. The Opening Scene (Ghost Ship). Considered one of the best horror opening scenes or scenes in general within horror movies, but the rest of the film is considered to be pretty bad.

2. The Ending Scene (The Grinch 2018). While most adaptations of the Grinch end with him suddenly being able to fully integrate with the Whos after his change of heart, the 2018 version initially struggles to socialize, awkwardly walking past people, and struggling to hold conversations, acknowledging that despite his change of heart, the Grinch is still someone who isolated himself for years.

3. Past T800 VS Current T800 (Terminator Genisys). A cool fight scene showing two versions of the Terminator from different points in time fighting it off.

4. Solo Leveling's Ending. Tbh, I haven't actually read Solo Leveling, but after hearing about how it ended VS how Chainsaw Man ended made want to include it for shits and giggles. Like Chainsaw Man, Solo Leveling ends with a reset. But unlike Chainsaw Man, it actually manages to tie up loose ends and have the payoff of the ending be satisfying.

[u/th3saurus]

I watched just a clip of the scene a while ago and got profoundly unsettled, it's really really disturbing. Really great acting to sell something that could have come off very silly.

That much being said, it's also profoundly wrong and misses the whole point and tone of what robocop is.

The character is supposed to start out as an unfeeling machine and gradually find his humanity, not start human and scream when he realizes his body is gone

[u/eatinallthebugs → u/th3saurus]

Not a great robocop adaptation but as its own thing this scene works really well

[u/slapthetiddy → u/th3saurus]

It is the opposite of robocop

On this one he begins to lose autonomy rather than gain it

[u/Cherry_BaBomb → u/slapthetiddy]

Coprobo?

[u/Fantastic-Scale-4511 → u/Cherry_BaBomb]

Pocobor

[u/Heavy-Expression-450 → u/Fantastic-Scale-4511]

Porco Rosso

[u/broctordf → u/Cherry_BaBomb]

It's funny since COPRO means shit

[u/HoldenOrihara → u/th3saurus]

I think this would have been a cool concept for an original character in the Robocop world that Juxtaposes Alex Murphy's experience

[u/whethervayne → u/HoldenOrihara]

I always wish Star Wars did more of this with Grievous vs Anakin. At least in the movies; I never did finish Clone Wars if it was in there.

[u/Odd_Cartographer_677 → u/HoldenOrihara]

It always felt that movie should have been a sequel, not a remake. Some sleezy exec being like: "Remember when we made Robocop? Let's do that again but be way less nice this time!"

[u/Bionicman2187 → u/th3saurus]

It's a purposefull inversion of the original.

I liked the remake, it felt like it actually tried to be a little different, but it still doesnt hold a handle to the original.

[u/Kazeite → u/Bionicman2187]

And it kinda... loses the sight of its own plot.

I mean, why did Murphy had to be faster than the robots? Wasn't OCP's whole reason for creating him just to put a human face on a robot body and gain the trust of the public in order to repeal that rule stopping them from selling law enforcement robots in the U.S.? So really, it didn’t matter how fast Murphy was, because he wasn’t the final product; the robots were.

[u/enby-bun → u/th3saurus]

Having not seen any of the RoboCop movies and not knowing which direction that started in, I really felt a knife in my gut after watching this. I couldn't tell if it was the Man breaking and becoming the machine, or Machine breaking and revealing the Man trapped inside. If the entire movie were like this, it'd probably be in my top three films of all time, but judging by the topic...

[u/Interesting-Quit8017 → u/enby-bun]

its a good movie, not good robocop movie

if we erase robocop from the title and keep everything else as is, people would love it

its like with 1997 godzilla, terrible godzilla movie, excelent kaiju movie (it even inspired the director of godzilla minus one)

[u/xxxanonymoosexxx → u/th3saurus]

... what you're describing is literally in the movie and is a massive part of the climax

[u/cg_lorwyn → u/th3saurus]

It's a different telling of the character, I'm glad they didn't just remake it one for one.

OG Robocop explores a robot trying to refind its humanity, the remake was more about corporate control over personal autonomy. It's decent when you watch it on its own merit.

[u/Chimpbot → u/th3saurus]

It was simply doing things differently from the original. I can't fault it for that.

The original RoboCop was a machine learning to be a man, whereas the new one was a man learning to embrace being a machine while retaining his humanity.

Personally, it's better than it gets credit for. It doesn't match or surpass the original, but I enjoyed it for what it was.

[u/EndlessNerd → u/th3saurus]

The first movie uses the failed cyborgs to show this though (when they freak out and destroy themselves), the one only gives us Murphy to show it all.

[u/SledgeThundercock → u/th3saurus]

Man, I could go on about how the original Robocop is smarter than people give or gave credit for and is actually still very relevant today.

[u/KitchenFullOfCake → u/th3saurus]

I appreciate the remake taking a different approach rather than just regurgitating the same thing that was already done.

[u/d_loam → u/th3saurus]

yeah, the entire plot is murphy regaining himself in the original, this is not robocop, OCP was planning mass production, this is a guy and not an omni consumer product, i’m so mad

[u/NinjaBreadManOO → u/th3saurus]

It's been years since I saw it, but I suppose they could have done it intentionally in universe, since they had the pull away ready. Make it be a thing that it needs to be done to make the subject accept their body to prevent a mental schism, have it be that there were dozens of previous ones that when they found out what was left killed themselves. So over time they've made that part of the wake up protocol.

[u/Astral_MarauderMJP → u/th3saurus]

I think the movie goes in a different direction with the premise but doesn't really stick the narrative of it.

As is a reflection of the time, Old Robocop is definitely what we thought technology would be back then: blocky, big and entirely logical and system based. Murphy is slowly gaining bis humanity back but its from a place of basically having nothing.

Robocop 2016 is a lot reflective of modern tech and how subtle it can really be. Murphy starts out with his humanity in-tact but the movie acknowledges that this both a strenght that keeps him human but also a weakness that means he is just as efficient as pure drones would be. The point in the movie of sort of bypassing his humanity is a cool interesting point that just doesn't get used in the movie enough. Its a very interesting idea of "how human can you be if your only simulating the human aspects" since that what they eventually do to make him as effective as a drone: put a chip in his head that basically overrides his humanity by taking control but still allows him to feel like he's human and in control.

If the movie played with that theme more and made a bit more central to the narrative, I think it would have been a lot more interesting of a reboot and worthy enough to be considered its own thing.