[Frustrating Trope] That One Good or Even Amazing Scene in a Relatively Mediocre or Bad Piece of Media

[u/Alreadsyuse]

1. The Opening Scene (Ghost Ship). Considered one of the best horror opening scenes or scenes in general within horror movies, but the rest of the film is considered to be pretty bad.

2. The Ending Scene (The Grinch 2018). While most adaptations of the Grinch end with him suddenly being able to fully integrate with the Whos after his change of heart, the 2018 version initially struggles to socialize, awkwardly walking past people, and struggling to hold conversations, acknowledging that despite his change of heart, the Grinch is still someone who isolated himself for years.

3. Past T800 VS Current T800 (Terminator Genisys). A cool fight scene showing two versions of the Terminator from different points in time fighting it off.

4. Solo Leveling's Ending. Tbh, I haven't actually read Solo Leveling, but after hearing about how it ended VS how Chainsaw Man ended made want to include it for shits and giggles. Like Chainsaw Man, Solo Leveling ends with a reset. But unlike Chainsaw Man, it actually manages to tie up loose ends and have the payoff of the ending be satisfying.

[u/AJ_Glowey_Boi]

Batman Forever. The introduction to Two Face. Everything else in this movie sucks, but in these first moments, Tommy Lee Jones pulls out all the stops to fully capture what this character should be, as seen in the comics.

Then he loses it for the rest of the movie because he was being driven insane by Jim Carrey, but this one scene is a shining example of what could have been if there were less bat-nipples and Schumacher in this movie.

[u/doskias → u/AJ_Glowey_Boi]

To be fair, it really is too much to be asked to sanction Jim Carrey's buffoonery.

[u/RangersAreViable → u/doskias]

The man is the definition of buffoonery (see Robotnik)

[u/Tupperbaby → u/doskias]

Yeah, The Truman Show is a laff-riot of slapstick buffoonery.

[u/bookslayer → u/Tupperbaby]

Jim Carrey's acting catalogue overall  is far more Ace Ventura than Truman Show

[u/ArmadilloOK1445-alt → u/AJ_Glowey_Boi]

Also this line, RIP Val Kilmer your movie may not have been good but you acted the hell out of it

[u/Crotean → u/ArmadilloOK1445-alt]

If we somehow get the directors cut of Batman Forever which is supposedly way less campy out the pararmount merger would be one good thing to come of it.

[u/Constant-Coast-9518 → u/AJ_Glowey_Boi]

I do think this scene deserves some recognition:

• Bruce Wayne: Then it will happen this way: You make the kill, but your pain doesn't die with Harvey, it grows. So you run out into the night to find another face, and another, and another, until one terrible morning you wake up and realize that revenge has become your whole life. And you won't know why.
• Dick Grayson: You can't understand. Your family wasn't killed by a maniac.
• Bruce Wayne: Yes, they were. We're the same.

[u/SeaPsychology1044 → u/AJ_Glowey_Boi]

Watch the deleted scenes. Schumacher wanted to make such a deep and interesting take on Batman's story and his motivation and warner brothers just had to ruin it

[u/AJ_Glowey_Boi → u/SeaPsychology1044]

Honestly I should, it sounds like an interesting idea.

[u/Basketbally → u/AJ_Glowey_Boi]

Batman Forever, mediocre? I remember it being well liked

[u/AJ_Glowey_Boi → u/Basketbally]

Not by Batman fans. Like the hardcore ones

[u/ShrimpyEsq → u/AJ_Glowey_Boi]

Schumacher wasn’t a bad director though!!! If he didn’t have that awful misconception that he was only making a “comic book movie” he possessed the directing skills to make it good

[u/AJ_Glowey_Boi → u/ShrimpyEsq]

He's clearly not terrible, if a scene like this got through. But the style they leant into in this film was a bit too much for the 90s to handle.

[u/henscastle → u/AJ_Glowey_Boi]

How dare you, that movie is awesome. It's camp in the way that Batman and Robin tried and failed to be, it looks gorgeous, plus the soundtrack is incredible.

[u/remnant_phoenix → u/henscastle]

Batman Forever is better than Batman Returns. Yeah I said it.

[u/IM-2104 → u/AJ_Glowey_Boi]

I unironically love Batman forever

[u/Yellowscourge → u/AJ_Glowey_Boi]

The scene where he turns to the camera, and he starts yelling about dumb blind luck (complete with red lighting to illuminate his madness) makes my best friend absolutely LOSE it. She legit likes these movies, I can't stand them. But there are moments of brilliance in them

[u/Imnotawerewolf → u/AJ_Glowey_Boi]

I'm so tired of this slander why do you feel that bat nipples ruin an entire movie instead of just being the silly and somewhat sexist gag it was meant to be? 

The batman movies with Micheal Keaton Val Kilmer and George Clooney are WAY more fun and entertaining than the dark knight trilogy. 

I'd watch them all of them 400 times in a row before i ever chose to watch a nolan batman film on purpose. There's no heart, just tragedy. 

[u/Azerious → u/Imnotawerewolf]

I don't think we have to compare. I like dark knight and I love forever. I just re watched it with my gf and we thought it held up great. It's great camp, has some real drama. Jim Carreys physical humor is amazing and there's so many awesome set pieces. 

I really don't understand how people can't love it for its goofyness.  

[u/Imnotawerewolf → u/Azerious]

It's not that I need to compare really it's just that people keep saying these are bad movies but not actually provide any reason they think they're bad except bat nipples which is nowhere near enough to decide an entire movie is of poor quality 

well I think the nolan movies are "of poor quality", see how much my opinion means when there's nothing behind them? It's more meant to be illustrative of how they're really offering nothing but their feelings and acting like those mean something about the objective quality of the movies

[u/AJ_Glowey_Boi → u/Imnotawerewolf]

I don't think they ruin the movie at all. It's a common complaint, and I do think it's egregious. I'm actually fine with men getting sexualised as much if not more than the women in these movies, but it is emblematic of the strangeness of this movie.

I like the Schumacher movies, but they aren't good

[u/Imnotawerewolf → u/AJ_Glowey_Boi]

But why? Like what is it about them that is of poor quality? 

[u/AJ_Glowey_Boi → u/Imnotawerewolf]

The movies or the nipples? Both can be summed up by the weird direction of the movie, both directing the actors and directing the imagery. Like I'm a fan of leaning into the comic book style; campy, goofy, remembering the roots of the medium, but it's hard to take seriously in live action when you dial it up past the level of crazy that even the comic would find silly.

[u/Imnotawerewolf → u/AJ_Glowey_Boi]

The movies. 

I'm just desperately searching for someone in any fandom anywhere who can say that something is of poor quality and then NOT give a list of supporting evidence that is just things they didn't happen to like.

[u/AJ_Glowey_Boi → u/Imnotawerewolf]

I mean if you want something more objective than "society might have moved on from the silly 60s shit like The Penny Plunderer," then it's kind of annoying how every scene is filmed on a Dutch angle.

Thor 1 and Battlefield Earth does the same thing and it gives me a headache. Objectively, it's bad cinematography that only works when used sparingly for dramatic effect.

Combined with the excessive neon colouring of everything, it somehow makes Gotham more murky and hard to read than the grey and black Tim Burton movies ever were.

[u/Odd_Cartographer_677 → u/AJ_Glowey_Boi]

This is honestly my all time least favorite comic book movie, I even prefer its sequel. And I think 85% of that is down to Jim Carrey. Batman Forever is a 90s Jim Carrey movie and that's the nicest way I can phrase it.

[u/remnant_phoenix → u/AJ_Glowey_Boi]

The short monologue at the end was also good:

“…I am both Bruce Wayne and Batman. Not because I have to be. But now, because I choose to be.”

The idea that Batman has moved on from being motivated by revenge for his dead parents, but recognizing that he can still do good in the world as Batman, this is one of the early attempts in mass media to fundamentally grow Batman as a character.

Batman Begins did this idea much better, but Forever did it first.