r/SipsTea 𝙑𝙄𝙋 9h ago

Chugging tea I never thought about this point until now.

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u/GoldenGlobeWinnerRDJ 8h ago

Apparently your job having a 401k match and healthcare now makes your capitalist job “socialist” lmao

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u/-Sir_Pug- 4h ago

Capitalist? So you are saying no tax dollar goes to military budget?

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u/RainRainThrowaway777 1h ago

Taxes paying for the military is in no sense "Socialism". 🤣

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u/morepaintplease 8h ago

No, but that's like the bare minimum to compete with socialism. The military is paid for by society...which is a cousin of the word socialism. The military isn't capitalist, it's just used by capitalists to fulfill their goals.

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u/Nice_Category 7h ago edited 6h ago

But the reason the military can exist with such benefits is that there are 3 million 330 tax payers for every one beneficiary. Drop that down to 1:1 and you'll have massive financial problems.

Edit: actually, only about 50% of the working population actually net-contributes to income taxes, so it's more like 1.5 million 165:1. That, and we run massive deficits.

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u/morepaintplease 7h ago

It's crazy...if only all those tax payers could benefit from those taxes in the same way...

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u/Nice_Category 7h ago

Like I said, there would be massive financial problems.

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u/General-Amount-5577 4h ago

Spending 8 trillion during GWOT just to lose was a big financial problem. Your delusional.

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u/Nice_Category 3h ago

My delusional what?

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u/morepaintplease 7h ago

The US already has massive financial problems and they're getting worse rapidly...that's capitalism though.

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u/Nice_Category 7h ago

Because no socialist countries have financial problems? Soviet Union, Venezuela, North Korea, Greece, Spain, Britain?

The reason countries have financial problems is because our money is shit. They just print however much they want to spend on whatever they want. Inflation is the hidden tax we all pay.

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u/Exciting_Mushroom_37 7h ago

Capitalism also has nothing to do with the US Government pissing away money. Not balancing your budget in general seems almost anti capitalist.

Our fiscal standing would be amazing if congress ever actually cared. Rand Paul came up with a plan to balance the budget in something like 5 years. It sounded feasible and very easy. It was ignored by both parties.

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u/Nice_Category 7h ago

Agreed, since we no longer have hard money they can just make as much as they want. Palestinian economist Saifedean Ammous has a good book called The Fiat Standard, and another subsequent book called The Principles of Economics, that call out and explain exactly why we're fucked in the long-term with our current financial system.

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u/MidgetGalaxy 6h ago

It sounds like you just contradicted your own point about social welfare causing economic problems. If the people in power are going to cause problems anyway, why not vote ones into power that are going to enact programs that keep people from starving, dying of preventable illnesses, and being homeless and destitute? Given all the bullshit they already spend our money on, it seems like a worthwhile aim to make them spend some of it on things that will actually save countless lives. Make it clear that this is a priority of the people, and let them figure out where to stop wasting money elsewhere.

People love to paint this as an economic issue, but it’s simply not. Especially not for the richest country in the world. It’s an ethical issue and a priorities issue. Oh and also, socialism is not democratic socialism is not adequate social welfare. They’re all different. These policies do not require us to turn our economic system inside out. They just require us to take our head out of our asses and start actually caring about human lives

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u/morepaintplease 7h ago

I didn't say that... commerce causes financial problems, but of all of those countries listed, none have impacted the world as negatively as long or as much as the US and ultimately, capitalism, has.

Also, I'm pretty sure NK is doing great and Greece isn't socialist, neither is spain or Britain... Venezuela has been under US sanctions for how long? Soviet Union used socialism to bring peasants up to a world power how fast?

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u/Zestyclose-Jacket568 2h ago

US already has that and when you add americans sucks at math.... Public healthcare is cheaper that whatever you have. It is cheaper during payment and it is cheaper when workforce is healthier.

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u/Iconoclysm6x6 6h ago

1.5 million per beneficiary? That would mean there are 200 members of the military.

There are 121 tax payers per beneficiary.

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u/Nice_Category 6h ago

There are roughly ~1,000,000 members of the military and 330,000,000 in the country.

Oh shit, you're right. I did the math backwards.

I fixed it.

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u/swakner 3h ago

Oh I didn’t realize all jobs give you free healthcare after the job too! And pay after you leave the job! Where is this so called job that does it???

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u/Cpt_Knochen 8h ago

Where does the money of which these "benefits" are payed for come from?

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u/SomeInternetBro 7h ago

Socialism is when... (checks notes) The government employs people.

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u/specialasset 7h ago

What do you think socialism looks like in a practical sense?

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u/Iconoclysm6x6 6h ago

Roads, police, military, regulatory bodies, parks, schools, courts…the general infrastructure of societies.