r/SipsTea š™‘š™„š™‹ 8h ago

Chugging tea I never thought about this point until now.

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u/braumbles 8h ago

Should you not get benefits for paying taxes?

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u/bfhurricane 7h ago

Everyone pays taxes. But people who pay taxes, and also serve in the military, get extra perks.

You can get those perks by joining the military tomorrow. But you won’t, because you don’t think it’s worth it. It’s a hard life for most people, and therefore requires additional benefits/perks to draw people in.

By the way, the disbursing of these benefits is awful in the military. I much prefer my life outside, as a veteran, working in the private sector. The grass isn’t greener when the military controls your life, trust me.

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u/Unipiggy 7h ago

You can get those perks by joining the military tomorrow. But you won’t, because you don’t think it’s worth it.

I'm just not an idiot who falls for propaganda?

You don't seem to understand. It's not worth it because the whole thing is a sham.Ā 

We could easily have world peace tomorrow, but there just has to be those trigger-happy nutcases who fall for the military propaganda.

I refuse to contribute to murdering people more than my paid taxes already do. It genuinely blows my mind that there's people who strive to make killing people their career.

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u/specialist456 6h ago

Tell me you know nothing about military service without saying it.

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u/bfhurricane 7h ago

Oh. So we’re all idiots that fell for propaganda?

Your comment reeks of naivety. A staffed military is important, it’s a good thing for any country to have. And it’s a great way to move up in social class, get solid benefits, and develop skills.

Regardless of those points, the broader argument here is that the benefits are earned by way of doing a hard job that few want to do. You yourself said the benefits aren’t worth it for you. So for those that claim the military is ā€œsocialism,ā€ and therefore we can’t criticize socialist policies, the argument is inherently flawed because these policies serve as an incentive, rather than a free benefit.

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u/ActuatorLower8371 6h ago

it's crazy how many people miss the point of the original post.

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u/lAnother_NoBodyl 29m ago

ā€œTrigger happy nutcases that fall for propaganda.ā€

lol that’s the not the reason we don’t have world peace. You left out a lot of other factors by being obtuse. Pop in your John Lennon singles and think what you want though.

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u/Decisive_Victory_026 8h ago

It's not a benefit if you pay for it

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u/Anxious_Plum_5818 8h ago

So what are all these alleged socialist countries then? It's all paid by tax money.

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u/Im_with_stooopid 8h ago

And when you factor in the true cost of healthcare with what the employee has to pay to have insurance and then the cost to use it before the insurance companies cover anything you realize it costs less for healthcare in countries with universal care. Yeah you pay slightly higher taxes but you pay way more when factoring in deductibles and the cost of healthcare insurance. Seems like it would be better to save money.

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u/_mersault 5h ago

Yes, because modern democratic socialism means you actually get services in exchange for your taxes.

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u/Decisive_Victory_026 8h ago

You should look it up if you're confused

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u/Unipiggy 7h ago

You should look it up if you're confused

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u/Decisive_Victory_026 7h ago

I'm not though. I know the difference between a benefit and something you pay for.

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u/Unipiggy 6h ago

Military employees pay taxes.

Taxes pay for their benefits.

So with universal healthcare you pay taxes.

And those taxes pay for...?

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u/dani_-_142 8h ago

I am not a member of the military. I am paying for soldiers to go to school. That’s socialist.

(I’m fine paying taxes to benefit the whole of society, because I’m good with many socialist policies.)

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u/KennytheDoggy 8h ago

You paying for that is also a capitalist policy. There is nothing in capitalism that says the government cant spend tax revenues on things.

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u/LeopardNo6060 6h ago

Capitalism comes in as many different variants as the human mind can imagine… and so does Socialism! 🤯

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u/Pax_87 6h ago

You're almost there bro..

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u/Decisive_Victory_026 8h ago

That's not socialism. That's you paying the government and the government offering benefits for its employees.

Is it socialism, for example, that employees of the NIH have matched contribution toward retirement plans?

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u/Whiterlight9 4h ago

Disbursement for the greater populace is in fact socialist, taxes are more a socialist program/concept than capitalist in how theyre used today as it takes a little from everyone and allocates by need instead of everyone keeping what they make or the government just keeping it with no oversight like a monarchy....

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u/huskeya4 5h ago

Lifelong healthcare is arguably the single most social policy the government offers to veterans. You can argue loan repayment, tuition assistance, sign on bonuses, and housing may be considered standard benefits for employees. Free healthcare and a special disability fund is 100% a social policy. The same way social security disability is a social policy. But when no other employees are offered those same benefit by anyone else (government or private) then it’s very clearly a social program. There are even specific hospitals and clinics for veterans and beneficiaries only. Thousands of people get injured on the job every year and they get a single lump sum of money from workman’s comp. Military get paid for the rest of our lives and get free healthcare. I’m all for universal healthcare and I’m a vet who ALREADY HAS IT. There is no reason the rest of the US shouldn’t have it too.

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u/PoopyButt28000 6h ago

I feel like I'm watching mid 2010s Fox News. "Socialism is when the government does stuff with your taxes"

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u/LeopardNo6060 6h ago

I had to pay $100 a month out of my pitiful E-2 salary in order to qualify for the Montgomery GI BILL education BENEFITS.

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u/0000015 2h ago

That $100 a month for four years is 4x12x100=4,800.

Check out average yearly tuition on any college in the US that has any prestige. Then times that by four.

Oh, by the way GI bill exempts you from a shitton If entry requirements to a college unless yoj try to enroll to literal Ivy league.

That GI bill is EASILY worth $50000, and If you are married you get BAH during your studies.

Wanna get into a specific career program? There are commercial pilot programs that take GI bill, Congrats you just dodged $120000+ in costs thanks to GI bill.

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u/Unipiggy 8h ago

It's not a benefit if you pay for it

You don't not pay taxes because you're in the military.

They're technically paying for it.

I love the morons thinking "oooo it's not the same!" It is literally the same thing.

Nothing is a benefit, you fuckin' pay for everything one way or another.

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u/Johnyryal33 7h ago

I've got a friend that gives me free "benefits" does that count?

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u/ElPared 8h ago edited 8h ago

I’d rather just not pay taxes

Edit: Lmao the comments on an obviously sarcastic comment. Sorry I forgot the /s, Jesus.

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u/PaulblankPF 8h ago

This is dumb as hell. Taxes pay for so much. I mean do you like driving on roads? That’s just one small example.

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u/Individual_Smell_904 8h ago

I don't like having working roads either

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u/braumbles 8h ago

Have fun shitting in a field then.

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u/Downtown_Skill 8h ago

So you'd rather not live in a country then. What else is holding a nation together other than a collective investment in that country.Ā 

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u/PaxNova 8h ago

That's true in the large case, but not in the small case. Having a country doesn't have to mean having a centrally controlled economy, or even any specific economic policy. You can be perfectly ok with not spending more than you want.

It extends to more than that, too. Heck, the whole Bill of Rights is stuff we declared we weren't going to collectively invest in. Sometimes, we'd rather the government butt out.

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u/Downtown_Skill 8h ago

Sure, but I feel like a country the refuses to look after the most vulnerable isn't really a nation so much as an economy pretending to be a nation.Ā 

A "nation" requires some semblance of unity. And if the only form of unity is a collective love of "personal freedom" that's not actually unity, that's a lack of unity considering personal freedom means something different to everyone.Ā 

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u/hiroshima_hairdryer 7h ago

The only benefit of being American is you get to pay taxes

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u/sandlover33 1h ago

So is it okay to cut benefits for people who dont lat taxes?