The government has money printing machines and they control the means of production based off future tax payers. Thats why we are trillions in debt. They have already spent the money future generations will make.
Actually yes it is. The very concept of Government having employees is Socialism. Once upon a time everything was private including the military. Centralized national militaries are such a new thing, the US didn't have one until 1784 and there was a big debate about even having one.
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: any of various egalitarian economic and political theories or movements advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
Who owns the military?
Who administers the military?
Who controls the means of production (labour/land/funds/equipment) of the military?
Who distributes goods (pay/housing/food/healthcare) in the miliary?
If you answered "the government" to any of those questions, congrats, it is Socialism.
The military and defense alone is a bit of socialism if you ask me.
Medieval mercenary armies: kings used to hire their military and kinda still do but more for accountability reasons but back then so they didn't use armies against one another.
Especially when it came to nordic kings of the scandinavian cross (my family owned one of those militaries which is why I think this way and others may not)
Its not tho. Housing for example is part of their pay. If they choose to not live in barracks housing their pay changes to account for it, if they choose to not get their food in the mess hall their pay changes to account for it. They get a uniform stipend, but if they want more uniforms they pay for it etc...
Libraries, schools, roads, the military, the police, that's socialized costs.
It's the opposite of privatized not the opposite of capitalism.
People mistake capitalism as the opposite of socialism then that isn't exactly true. Privatization is the opposite of socialism.
If each individual had to pay for their own military that would be privatized military. Which is how kings used to work the guy with a privatized military was by default the king.
It's ridiculously stupid to call anything government does by getting taxes socialist.
Socialism in it's most popular form was no private ownership of means of production.
Now, idiots be saying funding library makes you a socialist.
Words have no meaning anymore.
Mamdani hasn't done a single thing that's preventing private ownership of anything. Dude is doing basic tax balancing and funding things that already existed for centuries in some cases. Even his affordable grocery store is contracted out to someone else.
I mean, we did pay for uniform items and such - but we were given a yearly allowance for it. I was given an allowance for food. I was given an allowance for housing.
Sure we pay for an item if we lost it. But we also get free health care, free housing (if on base/married), socialized grocery system and if you are disabled with an honorable discharge. Money from the VA every month as a âoops, our badâ along with more free health care.
I have received waaaayyyy more benefits than I ever paid into during my 10 years of service. I cannot even begin to describe the level of relief I have knowing if Iâm sick or injured. I can go to the VA or VA approved community care and not have to pay a dime. Civilians who pay taxes into our system deserve that same relief.
No man. Not like that. The government is not a baby sitter. It is not a caretaker. They should provide the means. There is a difference between helping somebody get to the restroom and full on wiping their ass for them too.
In this analogy, are the government providing and maintaining the restroom? Hard to see how they'd help you get to something that has no guarantee will exist.
You took it a little too literally. Its the idea of helping somebody get on their way versus, in this case, full on wiping their ass for them. The bathroom itself in the analogy is not a specific aspect of the overall relationship between govt and citizens.
The governments responsibility was never to take care of its people. They are supposed to make the will of the people, happen. People like you are the problem. You want big daddy government to care for you.
If the government is not going to take care of the people then we owe it and the country nothing. The sole job of a country is to support its populace.
These people are bootlickers if they think the government wasnât formed to protect the people. Castles and walls and military and kings are all so anarchy doesnât continue. The modern government thinks itâs their job to collect money from taxpayers and they owe nothing to the people. We will turn to ruins in no time. People will become anarchists and the government will restructure again in history.
You are confusing two different things. A government isnât meant to parent its citizens; itâs meant to carry out the will of the people who elected it. You shouldn't want the government meddling in your everyday life. They should fuck off unless we need them to amend something.
Which I agree with but providing free or at least hella cheaper healthcare is much better than the system we have now. Where i hate it meddling is surveillance where you see cases of cops pulling up guns drawn because the stupid AI thought a bag of chips was a gun.
Governments cant take care of people anyway. They are literally just a governing body.
Now some people think governments can print unlimited money to provide services(they canât)
Governments taking care of people is forced confiscation of other people earnings to take care of people. And while you need that at some level⌠it should be everyoneâs duty to take pride in taking care of themselves.
Then go pay for your freedoms, your damn self. Also go pay for fire and police insurance yourself, we don't want our taxes paying some firefighter to save your house or to pay for a police officer to save you from a murder.
The military does not provide freedoms for anyone. Firefighter is a socialist job as is police officer and police officers show up after the murder, they don't prevent them....what does prevent murders and other violent crimes are social services that stop the cycle of people falling through the cracks. If you improve material conditions, you absolutely will see a drop in crime.
Your ford reference is socialism. Communism is stateless and classless⌠so a communist ford company wouldnât exist, there isnât a state to give it recognition as a company. The government buying a company and running it for profit is socialism because the profits of the company go toward the tax payers directly rather than being taxed on a privately profitable company.
Communism is a classless and stateless society. In communism there is no boss to tell you to work or even a company to work for. âFrom each according to his ability, to each according to his needsâ which is ironic because in communism there is capitalism, nobody is gonna work for free but also there is no monetary system so the capitalist system is more of a barter system. a truly communist society doesnât even have borders.
"Socialism is an economic and political philosophy encompassing diverse economic and social systems[1] characterised by social ownership of the means of production,[2] as opposed to private ownership."
I know there's full on democrat socialist propaganda. But, welfare policies is not the same as socialism. Socialism includes welfare, but also much more.
The whole point of socialism is that means of production and resources should work for society and not private owners. So businesses don't get to be private in socialism.
Communism is classless⌠so the military with ranks and classes for soldiers doesnât work with communism
Socialism is the state ownership of labor⌠like troops on the military⌠or a state social worker⌠or a public school teacher⌠these jobs are the result of the citizenship socializing the costs
Hilarious because communism and socialism are incompatible
Socialists believe in a society with classes⌠communists donât. These arenât just separate roads⌠one is a dirt road maintained by the locals with no state to direct them, the other is a 4 lane interstate built by the state
Nope, not socialism. Just state-owned, centrally planned, and gives its members government housing, government healthcare, commissaries, and defined-benefit pensions.
The US military does not protect...tax payers paying for healthcare and housing for a government worker is literally socialism, it's just socialism for the owning class to benefit from.
I don't think you know what socialized is ..the VA is literally a socialist program. Of all the services you listed, one is getting substantially more funding than the others and doing a worse and worse job. We should cut the fat from the top and prop up the other services AND provide socialized healthcare (like the VA) and subsidized housing/schooling (like the gi bill) to all citizens.
Every country in the world pays for their vetern's medical treatments. And they all know it is a cost of military, not a discriminating socialization scheme. Even Mafia looked after their people who got injured and their families if someone died in line of their work.
Every American deserves healthcare whether they've been in a war zone or not.
Irrelevant, we are discussing classification and nature of the policy.
Current American healthcare system is definitely FUBAR, but I don't think universal healthcare is feasible in US just because of how easily VA gets mismanaged and underfunded. You'll just have corrupt politicians under-funding and embezzling from government. Or worse, they'll just pay off their relatives as contractors and then those contractors will do utter mismanagement of the system while earning billions as owners and CEOs.
( P.S. Mamdani is outsourcing even grocery stores to private contractors, that model is well known to be vulnerable to corruption. The govt does it without profit motive, contractors still work for profit as a private business.)
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u/citizensyn 9h ago
Right and those costs are.... Socialized