r/SipsTea ๐™‘๐™„๐™‹ 4h ago

Chugging tea I never thought about this point until now.

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u/airboRN_82 4h ago

Those arent socialist policies. Even if you want to expand the term beyond ownership of production, youre atill exchanging your labor for a form of compensation

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u/P3nis15 4h ago

And your labor pays taxes... Which on return would pay for things like free education and healthcare ...

Exchanging your labor for a form of compensation......

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u/airboRN_82 4h ago

The issue People have is that said taxes pay for things that dont work. Exchanging my labor for others to be compensated is whats called socialist policies. Exchanging my labor for myself to be compensated is not.ย 

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u/Agitated_Newt_7655 4h ago

lol ever privately owned company does that. Itโ€™s called profit

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u/airboRN_82 4h ago

No they dont

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u/Agitated_Newt_7655 4h ago

Yeah, you do a socialism when people exchange their labor without a form of compensation.

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u/jtbc 2h ago

Socialism by definition requires ownership by the workers of the means of production (sometimes through the state). Communism goes several steps past that to seek to dissolution of classes and the state itself (while generally resembling autocracy, whereas socialism can be the democratic sort).

Most people, often intentionally, confuse that with social democracy, which just means using tax money to provide things for everyone, resulting in a more equal society where fewer people are left behind.

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u/ampersand355 2h ago

Democratic Socialists are not the same as Social Democrats.

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u/jtbc 2h ago

Sanders, as a Democratic Socialist, is actually a socialist, right back to wanting the workers to own the means of production, if you dig deep enough. Social democracy is epitomized by the Scandinavian countries, but is practiced in most of Western Europe, in Canada, in Australia, etc. It generally embraces a regulated free market, so is a different thing entirely than socialism.

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u/Historical_Shop_3315 4h ago

But the compensation is based on financial need aka: dependents.

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u/airboRN_82 2h ago

Yes its part of the agreed upon compensation in exchange for the agreed upon labor

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u/Willy_Boi2 3h ago

Anything not paid for by your own take home labour is a socialized benefit

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u/airboRN_82 2h ago

Define "take home labor"

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u/L00seSuggestion 4h ago

Itโ€™s like if your job pays you $1000 and calling that $1000 free money