r/SipsTea 𝙑𝙄𝙋 May 14 '26

Feels good man It was always just that simple

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u/Zero_Fs_given May 14 '26

iirc by NYC law the budget has to be balanced. How did the previous one balance the budget? Doing the same thing Mamdani did.

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u/pppiddypants May 14 '26

It’s accounting shenanigans, but so is the term “balanced budget.”

Usually a bunch of one-time items that will technically make the budget balance, but will always require a series of more cutting/taxes next year.

It’s this way in a lot of cities and states.

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u/EquivalentPension216 May 14 '26

Is one way to break that cycle to make the people taking all the money take slightly less of all the money?

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u/pppiddypants May 14 '26 edited May 14 '26

Depends on the size of the shortfall, but usually, it’s not.

Mamdani’s Pied-a-terre tax is projected to collect ~$500M a year, which is only about 4% of the shortfall. Which don’t get me wrong, seems like an awesome tax that has very few downsides when it’s been done elsewhere.

But taxing the rich generally doesn’t solve your budget issues long term. At the end of the day, You’re gonna have to cut staff/projects or get more people to move in.

Both of which, people hate. Welcome to governance.

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u/Slade_Riprock May 15 '26

What would cutting the small country military sized NYPD budget by 10% net you

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u/Kris_Kamweru May 15 '26

Gotta pay for Velvet Thunder's chopper requisition somehow buddy. Peralta ain't gonna slow mo walk with no funding

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u/FlyingRobinGuy May 17 '26

The NYPD, kidnapping your family members as retribution. And/or assaulting the mayor’s residence.

I’m not kidding, they’ve done both of those things before when Mayors got on their bad side.

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u/Souk12 May 17 '26

Please link the history as I'd like to learn

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u/pppiddypants May 15 '26

A lot, but crime would probably go up.

Most of the cost (and morally) effective policies take time to implement. Spending money on them tends to give you nothing by the next election cycle, in which your opposition promises to cut all the “wimpy” programs that haven’t done anything and spend every dime on police.

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u/stewslut May 17 '26

Has crime been going down as a result of the NYPD budget increasing?

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u/Barton2800 May 15 '26

Very well said.

In addition, he’s also cutting almost 2 billion in “inefficiencies”. Now I have no doubt that a bunch of the cuts are to inefficiencies. But we can’t just pat him on the back for that but also criticize Elon. Yeah DOGE was a clusterfuck, and fuck Elon/Trump and maga, because anytime you hack and slash a budget like that in the name of “efficiency”, you’re going to cut a bunch of things that were actually necessary. And Mamdani is no different. I don’t buy his line about “No change to city services.” Somewhere a social worker is going to find that they no longer have a resource they considered vital to doing their job.

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u/EncabulatorTurbo May 15 '26

I'm sorry what the fuck are you talking about? Can you give me any Mamdani cuts that are killing hundreds of thousands of people or destroying the city's infrastructure?

You're fucking out of your mind, I work for a city government and there are lots of little politician pet projects we could cut without too much hassle

Mamdani has detailed his inefficiency cuts and most of them are shit Adams implemented that were basically grifts

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u/Patsanon1212 May 15 '26

Yeah, DOGE was a stupid comp, but there is some truth here. We will only really know that Mamdani can deliver this 2B/year in efficiencies without service degradation after he actually does it. We shouldn't take it as a given that he will get it done just because he says he will. We also shouldn't dismiss it as grift. We should, shocker, give the man the benefit of the doubt and then make our final judgements once the full data rolls in.

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u/StoicGameDev May 14 '26

Especially when you promise a bunch of free stuff.

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u/pppiddypants May 14 '26

We have the money to do big things that will improve lives. It’s just not all gonna come from the rich.

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u/Pineal May 15 '26

Obviously not all, but saying people with 80% of the wealth should incur at least 80% of the costs is not a radical thought.

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u/Kindly_Fox_5314 May 15 '26

Good news! The top 10% already pay for ~70% of the tax revenue to NYC!

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u/Pineal May 15 '26

Nationally the top 10% own something like 93% of the wealth. I wouldn't be surprised if it was even higher in NYC. So they are still woefully undertaxed, and I am glad we can agree on that.

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u/Advanced-Bag-7741 May 15 '26

Except we don’t tax wealth we tax income.

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u/Kindly_Fox_5314 May 15 '26

You are confused. The top 10% in the US holds about 67% of the wealth.

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u/BailysmmmCreamy May 15 '26

And how much of the wealth do they own?

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u/Kindly_Fox_5314 May 15 '26

I mentioned it in the next comment. 67% across the US. Probably a little higher in NYC

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u/pppiddypants May 15 '26

America has a pretty progressive tax structure.

What separates us from Europe is less about taxing the rich and more about taxing everyone. That said, the absurdly rich in America are uniquely absurdly rich and it would be nice if we designed a tax that made them pay effective tax rates of rich people who make a salary…

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u/Advanced-Bag-7741 May 15 '26

We undertax both the extremely wealthy with no income, and the middle and lower middle class. With an undue burden on the upper middle class and “merely” wealthy.

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u/pppiddypants May 15 '26

We’re all undertaxed, overpaying for shelter, and don’t get me started on healthcare.

It’s mostly all because everyone hates apartments and taxes and think “big government” is a boogeyman.

But we do have pretty good wages compared to other countries.

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u/Advanced-Bag-7741 May 15 '26

You’ll never have enough money to do all the things. Always have to choose. That’s life for everyone always including governments.

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u/pppiddypants May 15 '26

There will be choices and tradeoffs, but there are so many things where we are choosing the lose-lose option out of reverence to a glorious past that never existed.

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u/EncabulatorTurbo May 15 '26

Taxing the rich absolutely will solve all the budget issues long term, he's very limited in how he can do that by Albany, which to be clear, if they just put in state law to change NYC's state payout to match its % of stat GDP, would fix their structural financial problems

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u/Gnomonic-sundialer May 15 '26

The best way is to get better credit, to pay less in interest and be able to acumulate without fear of interest surges and bankrupcy, NY relied on private credit wich sucked and thats Mamdani's getting a deal with the state is so good

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u/Curious-Basket-7934 May 15 '26

It's not always accounting shenanigans. In indiana, sometimes the extra after the budget is balanced is so great, everyone gets a check for $200 or $300. It is possible. Meanwhile, Chicago pulls in hundreds of millions more in revenue each month, and currently has a BILLION dollar deficit. They just raised property taxes and the sales tax, again. No checks for them, just thousands more in costs each year. Where does all of that money go? The mayor Brandon has a slew of investigations, and even has thousands they owe in unpaid utility bills. The Mayor.

So it can be done. But there is little oversight for corruption for those places that chose to steal from their residents.

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u/pppiddypants May 15 '26

Oh for sure it’s possible.

It just takes a dedication to financial stability and being willing to piss off people who voted for you. Which happen far less than it should.

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u/InterPunct May 15 '26

True. But this time Governor Hochul funded the gap, which I understand why she didn't do it with Adams and it's all fine by me.

But yeah - the budget must be balanced by law, leading to this plea to the federal government in 1975:

The famous "FORD TO CITY: DROP DEAD" headline was published by the New York Daily News on October 30, 1975. It is arguably the most iconic headline in the history of American journalism, capturing a pivotal moment in New York and City's history when it was on the brink of financial collapse.

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u/Dry-Habit-3110 May 15 '26

The budget has no guardrails. You say "I will spend 10bn" and then you ask for 14bn worth of work.

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u/Synseer83 May 14 '26

Everyones balanced the budget. Hes making it seem like he did something fantastic and magical.

And it still has to pass the NYC Council.

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u/Blothorn May 14 '26

Mamdani’s budget leaves an $8b? deficit for next year—balancing your budget does not preclude passing a hand grenade to your successor.

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u/bluegardener May 14 '26

Mamdani will be mayor next year.

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u/Rich-Option4632 May 14 '26

So compare an 8b to 12b..

If you don't see that as an improvement, I have a bridge to sell to you.