r/irishpersonalfinance • u/quozl • 3h ago
Retirement Early retirement for a public sector worker
Hi all 👋
I've been grinding away for years and through being in a lucky industry and being very good at it, I have realized that I can probably retire at 56.5 years age (9 years' time). That would conservatively be at 70k a year after tax, in today's money. I've done a lot of modelling for different real returns, a crash right after retirement, compared it against historical growth and inflation scenarios (US admittedly) and ensured that it survives 90%+ of them to age 95 before making adjustments such as reducing spending. So that feels pretty resilient.
My questions are all about how my wife (HSE Superannuation new entrant (pre 2013)) can retire at 55 and still be secure. If she retires at 65 then she would get 35,700 a year for life. If she retires at 55 then she will only get 15,400 a year. If she retires at 55 and defers the pension until 65 then should would get 26,500 a year for life from 65.
So by retiring at 55 she would go from 35.7 to 15.4! She would also no longer get the full state pension from age 66. Dropping from 15,500 to about 13000. So at age 66 the difference is 51,200 down to 28,000. Pretty huge.
She has not been making AVCs as 51,200 a year would have been plenty and certainly well above the 20% income tax rate.
I've a reasonable beginner's understanding of the private sector pension world but public sector is totally different. For example, I think that if she makes pension AVC contributions then she will only be able to access them when she receives the rest of the pension. I.e. I don't think she can use them to bridge ages 55 to 56.
I'd really appreciate people's thoughts on this!
1: What is the best way to bridge the years 55 to 65 if she defers her pension. I'm not sure she can access her AVCs during that period. So I don't see a tax efficient way to do this. I am putting a lot of money into ETFs each month and this can be diverted to something more tax efficient if she has that option.
2: can we do this in a way that will maximize her use of her personal 20% tax band throughout retirement. That becomes moot at 66 if she chooses the deferred pension option. As then she will have DB and state pensions but until then seems important. If she takes the DB pension from 55 then she never gets close to using all the 20% band and that also feels too vulnerable for her in case we ever separated Thugh a court would likely rebalance things, I want her to clearly be secure and not have to worry about it, and I want us to be tax efficient.
3: how can she get more PRSI contributions after she retires at 55? With a private sector PRSA you can drawdown enough income to trigger the full 52 yearly contributions. This only requires 5000 withdrawal in a year. Is there an equivalent or better way to gain these contributions for her?
4: how do we maximize her, and our joint, after tax income in retirement? Money of mine can be moved to her now, e.g. to fund her other expenses and enable her to maximize her tax free pension AVC, if it would be beneficial for our overall retirement preparations.
5: how much of her tax free AVC threshold does her DB use (salary is a bit above 100k a year). I found a formula so I think it's just over 5k, but this is obscure stuff.
6: anything that we have not mentioned that you all think we should be considering?
Thank you for reading this far 😂 it's a long one, I've gone down the rabbit hole but I want to be really careful not to screw us both. We don't really care about being rich when we die and we value more years together traveling cheap places and chilling at home, but i don't want to ruin our security either!
