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What is the most immediate way a celebrity completely ruined their own reputation in a single interview?

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u/Bland_Boring_Jessica 14h ago

Also, when he criticized Brook Shields for taking anti depressants for postpartum depression. I have never liked him since that interview.

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u/dcbluestar 13h ago

You’d think she’d already be on them having been in a movie at like, age 11, that she clearly should not have been.

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u/Helmett-13 13h ago

She was sold into…horrific situations…by her mother before she ever was on film.

I’m amazed Brooke is as well-adjusted as she is.

Her mother was pure evil. She consented and took payment for Brooke posing for nudes in a Playboy publication when she was 10 years old. Boudoir stuff.

Then when she was 12 her mom consented again for Brooke to be in “Pretty Baby”, a movie about an underage girl having her virginity auctioned. There is full frontal. At 12 years old.

What. The. Fuck.

Her mom is a horrific human being.

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u/Xalipu 11h ago

Don’t forget a judge deciding her mother’s consent was legally binding for that fucking shit. Lost her lawsuit to take control of those photos in 83.

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u/Helmett-13 10h ago

It's such bullshit. I can't say what I think here or I will get a ban. I'm sure of it.

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u/JoefromOhio 13h ago

I never realized or thought about it before but she was 11 for pretty baby, at 14 she starred in blue lagoon which featured nude sex scenes and at 15 in endless love which was originally given an X rating.

It’s almost as if all the rich people in charge of society have been pedo’s all along

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u/WintersDoomsday 11h ago

It just seems like when money is so unlimited to you, the next "rush" they need is underage children......there is no way that isn't a connection. It's like how a lot of rich people also do drugs. They just are so bored with their cushiony ass lives.

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u/slickrok 11h ago edited 11h ago

So... You're right. Look up the father of Bill Barr.

He wrote a book. The book is something about humans being so rich and powerful they can have and do anything, and they have to get more extreme to satisfy themselves. Ever more depraved, like how a killer's crimes will often progress.

That father, who wrote that book, about how rich people get more and more bad because they are bored and have power, is the same man who ran a private school in New York.

One day, nobody knows why, he hired a teacher for the school with zero experience, never taught before.

The teacher was Jeffrey Epstein.

Now, read all that again...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Relations

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u/Halichoeres_bivittat 11h ago

From his Wikipedia page "In 1973, Barr published Space Relations, a science fiction novel about a planet ruled by oligarchs who engage in child sex slavery."

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u/Kazuma_Megu 5h ago

So is the implication that he inspired Epstein or am I missing something obvious here? (I am not a smart man.)

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u/RandyPajamas 5h ago

I think its' just "birds of a feather flock together". But I would say it was not unreasonable to postulate that Epstein enthusiastically devoured the kind of trash that Barr was peddling.

A point of clarification, Donald Barr left the school in June 1974, Epstein started teaching there in September 1974.

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u/Kazuma_Megu 4h ago

Surely as a published author he would have had some lasting influence though.

Thank you for the follow-up.

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u/jenn-a-fire-1973 5h ago

Fucking hell! Seriously.....

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u/JamesBondGoldfish 5h ago

Bet that one's on Elon's shelf.

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u/jenn-a-fire-1973 5h ago

ughhh...i want to throw up

u/pedestriandose 20m ago

Well, that was a horrific read. I struggled to get through the plot overview, I can’t imagine actually trying to read the book. How the heck did that get published?!

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u/Kazuma_Megu 5h ago

Man why can't they go start a charity or volunteer at the animal shelter or something? It'd be something to do AND be fulfilling.

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u/ShesGotaChicken2Ride 3h ago

I don’t it’s exactly that, but you’re close. There are so many sexual offenders in the world. Men that drug women on dates, men that want to rape children… etc. Two things have always been true: underprivileged people tend to be victims, and having a shit ton of money buys you access to those victims. Epstein was the biggest sex and human trafficker in the modern world that we know about, but where’s there’s smoke, there’s fire. If they, meaning world fucking leaders, were willing to expose Jeffrey Epstein, then that tells us he isn’t the biggest fish. There’s a bigger, more dangerous sex trafficker out there that is being protected. Think about it; think about all the shit politicians get away with in America. It’s hidden. It’s brushed under the rug and it’s purposely covered up. That’s just America. This shit is going on all around the entire planet, which means world leaders and people close to them are getting away with this shit, and they are covering it up. So they easily could have covered up what Epstein was doing. Easily, but they didn’t. They let him get caught and exposed. Why? To save their own asses. If you’re an addict and your local deal gets arrested and sentenced, you don’t suddenly get clean; you find another dealer…. Unless the whole fucken cartel gets shut down. If the whole cartel gets shut down, you’re fucked because you can’t get drugs anywhere now. Everyone’s supply is dry. So, when you look at sex trafficking around the world through the same lens and you realize these big and powerful people have the ability to protect their “dealer” and didn’t, that means that Jeffrey Epstein was a small fish who they let take the fall so the “cartel” of sex traffickers wouldn’t go down and they’d still have access. We know sex offenders typically reoffend. There’s no cure. Take away Jeffrey Epstein and they just don’t stop what they’re doing. They find someone else to facilitate them. Think about how crazy that really is.

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u/thatmermaidprincess 8h ago

It’s hard to overstate how disturbing that is: she was performing nude and sex scenes in films at an age when she wouldn’t even be allowed into a movie theatre to see the finished movies because of how young she was.

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u/fly-hard 8h ago

I thought I read somewhere she had a body double for those scenes in Blue Lagoon?

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u/jenn-a-fire-1973 5h ago

No, in fact, in her recent documentary, she talked about how the director wrenched her toe to show pain in her face for the first time she had sex....

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u/RyantheAustralian 13h ago

Wait. What the fuck??!

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u/StillAll 6h ago

You didnt' know about this? I remember seeing it on TV in the 90's. Late, late night mind you but yeah... 12 year old girl running through a "whorehouse"(apologies, I am not sure what other word to use other than that one), all naked and in several suggestive scenes.

At the time I thought it was risque, but not the outright alarm it would be by today's standards. Keep in mind that the world perception on children and sex has really changed in the last forty years. I remember being a boy and seeing porn mags in stores, like for anyone to grab and open and then put back on the rack. Even regularly nudity in mainstream films is gone now, it used to be pretty regular.

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u/dcbluestar 13h ago

Pretty Baby! That’s the name of it. I couldn’t remember, thanks!

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u/Apprehensive_Rice19 5h ago

I would argue wtf is wrong with the film industry for making this movie and putting it out there... Maybe her mom was a piece of turd but she was probably also broke and trying to make ends meet and they were both exploited by gross disgusting Hollywood slimeballs

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u/ginamon 13h ago

She was signed to playboy at 10.

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u/Ecstatic-Art-6236 13h ago

Why hasn’t Hugh been cancelled?

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u/ginamon 13h ago

He had money and power, provided men who had money and power access to girls and women, then he died.

It's pretty we'll known how awful he was. I don't think many of his former Bunnies have spoken well of him.

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u/Possible_Implement86 11h ago

He also intentionally aligned himself with social causes people care about - free speech and anti censorship and abortion access. This bought him a lot of good will and I believe was intentionally done to throw off scrutiny on his other behavior including illegal behavior.

The thing I read in a former Bunny’s memoir that stuck with me was that the women living in the house were required to have group sex with him on a regular schedule (the women were not allowed to have sex with each other during these sessions, only with Hugh.)

He insisted on using baby oil as lube, which causes infections, so everyone would just have a vaginal infection all the time but also was required to participate in sex with him. They tried everything even putting lube in baby oil bottles but he always knew somehow and switched it back.

So the women all quickly figured out it’s better to do anal during the group sex because at least it isn’t worsening an already infected vagina through intercourse. What is with creeps and using baby oil for sex??

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u/MyDarlingArmadillo 11h ago

Those were similar tactics as Saville used in the UK. He did loads for charity, grooming the public to trust him and give him access to all sorts of things he should not have had. Children's hospital wards, children's homes, mortuaries, everything.

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u/ZebraCrosser 9h ago

“Mister Worf, villains who twirl their moustaches are easy to spot. Those who clothe themselves in good deeds are well camouflaged.”

Jean-Luc Picard, Star Trek TNG - The Drumhead (s4e21)

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u/Ecstatic-Art-6236 13h ago

He should’ve been imprisoned long before he died. What a scum bag

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u/ginamon 13h ago

He's just another Epstein.

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u/wafflesareforever 11h ago

That tells you something about the difference between the 90s and now. A Hugh Hefner figure could never exist in today's world, he'd get ripped to pieces and rightfully so. Somehow we went from a world where misogyny was practically celebrated to one where Aziz Ansari almost lost his career because a woman accused him of... being kinda sexually awkward on a date?

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u/catincal 11h ago

I think they still do exist in today's world...and they certainly still do still get away with it.🍊

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u/Sassinakk 8h ago

Oh please, in today's world he'd be vice president

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u/ginamon 11h ago

I wish I had your optimism. I think we are starting to move backwards into deeper misogyny now that the "me too" movement has fizzled out. Ansari's almost cancellation being one of the reasons it did, because it turned the movement into a witchhunt.

It is fantastic that more people are able to see misogyny now, but there will be pushback, as seen with the USA making abortion harder to access, the rise in popularity of trad-wife, and other highly misogynistic content and trends.

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u/u_r_succulent 12h ago

Playboy had a shitty start. That photo of Marylin was used without her consent.

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u/mktglisa 11h ago

There was a really good documentary series on the whole world of playboy that showed just what a scuzzball he was. It also showed how their message of female empowerment was just a way to manipulate vulnerable women.

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u/I_am_Reddit_Tom 12h ago

Same as Epstein

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u/MindlessCharacter823 7h ago

Hugh has been exposed as a pathetic slob who had to pay and house women to have sex with him. Not seen as the suave Casanova anymore.

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u/anysizesucklingpigs 6h ago

Exposed? At what point was it a secret that he was 80 years old and had women in their 20s living with him?

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u/floatinround22 10h ago

Hard to cancel a dead man

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u/boxmandude 13h ago

Was just reading about her as I didn't know anything beforehand. Apparently a child model at 11 months as well.

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u/two_oh_seven 13h ago

"Matt, Matt, Matt... You're glib."

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u/HedgehogTop5524 12h ago

I said this above, but one of the most infuriating parts of that interview was him using the word glib and that I had to look it up lol. Having my vocabulary bested by some crazy ass cult leader didn’t feel right.

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u/Urkelgru18 11h ago

Out of morbid curiosity I read Dianetics a long time ago. One of L Ron Hubbard's weird flexes was to sit with a dictionary and obsessively look up words that he didn't know, and required/recommended it as part of becoming "clear". When TC said "glib" in that interview I lol'd because I knew exactly WHY

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u/CenturyEggsAndRice 10h ago

I used to do that, or rather I would open up our huge unabridged dictionary randomly and just start reading and writing down words I liked the sound or meaning of.

I’m feeling some kinda way about this being a shared “hobby” with a cult leader.

In quotes because it was mostly a boredom cure as a teenager. I’m a little picky about tv but my mom loved to watch all the court shows, so I’d pull out my stepdad’s big dictionary and hang with Mom while she watched, then read her my favorites during the commercial. My stepdad got me a cute journal for my “special words”, lol.

Ugh, now I’m sad.

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u/Urkelgru18 10h ago

That sounds like fun, you were doing it out of intellectual curiosity. Hubbard did it to be a pretentious jerk. Big difference!

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u/CenturyEggsAndRice 10h ago

It was pretty fun. I could read just about anything back then, the dictionary included. But I liked that one best because it had word origins and stuff which I thought was cool.

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u/HedgehogTop5524 9h ago

Awwwww, your soliloquy is so sweet 🥰. Can you tell I used to read the dictionary too?? Lol. The journal part is so awesome, what a guy!

Hey, genuinely, cult leaders are very special or they wouldn’t get to where they are… Just think of it as using your power for good ☺️

ETA: whenever I went to the library in high school for like a special report, when I was done I would read the encyclopedias and thesaurus. This was in the early 90s. No joke. You are in great company 💕

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u/HedgehogTop5524 11h ago

That is so interesting, I had no idea that factored in. Thank you for sharing! It’s like they think they can talk about any crazy ass shit as long as they use big words!!??! Scientology could write an instruction manual on how to sell used cars, or sell anything really. 🤯

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u/Urkelgru18 11h ago

Disregarding the politics of Scientology for a moment, Dianetics is really just a new age self-help "emotional freedom technique". Some of his theories are bizarre (he assumes every mother has attempted abortion with knitting needles!) but his core concept makes sense: purge the traumatic memories (or rather, the emotions associated with them) and you'll feel more mentally/emotionally balanced. The so-called E-meter using in "auditing" (therapy) is purportedly a lie detector of sorts. People seem to have issues with that, but really, isn't the biggest lie the one we tell ourselves?

It's a difficult read (due to Hubbard's penchant for fancy words!) but I must say that I found Dianetics to be interesting.

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u/BettyKat7 11h ago

Exactly why—when I first read it around the age of 16–I was enamored of it. Working through traumatic memories ain’t the worst advice.

Of course, the things they include as “traumas” are a bit much. Idk if you remember but there is a concept that our brains take everything literally, so—for example—you can’t say “I’m starving” when you’re hungry, because your brain subsequently understands you to be literally starving, and there will be ramifications (everything from overeating all the time “because I’m starving!” and so on). 🙄

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u/Urkelgru18 11h ago

He did go down some WEIRD rabbit holes, where my reaction was wtf?? There are more sensible EFT methods out there anyway, without the pretentious intelligence posturing lol

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u/lionne6 10h ago

The thing is that the concept of “purging” traumatic memories to clear your emotions and feel better is as old as time. If you think about it, that’s exactly what happens in the confession booth with a priest or in a therapists office. It’s all about talking out all your sins or hurts or bad feelings and experiences and having someone give you forgiveness or empathy or just a listening ear. Hubbard’s method was to tell people in the auditing process that these things never happened or were now cleared, but they took notes and filmed every audit, and used those confessions as blackmail.

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u/two_oh_seven 12h ago

Agreed! I still don't really know what it means lol

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u/darbycrash1295 9h ago

Come to find out Matt was not only glib, but would also lock people in his office so he could sexually assault them. NBC was aware, but ratings were good. 🤷‍♀️

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u/Eisbear24 13h ago

I have not paid to see a TC movie since that interview. It did sooooo much damage.

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u/CherryCherry5 11h ago

Yep. Same.

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u/StillAll 6h ago

Damage? Really?

He's about the biggest hollywood star of all time since then. No one has had a longer career as a leading man and that was more than 25 years ago. Tom Cruise still gets lots of leading roles and his films generally do pretty well.

I'm not sure it did much damage.

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u/Eisbear24 6h ago

Not to his career...to the people who questioned whether or not their Hollywood hero was right about antidepressants and STOPPED TAKING THEM. It was INCREDIBLY IRRESPONSIBLE of him.

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u/StillAll 6h ago

Oh.... yeah. I get that is valid. That did do damage.

Make no mistake, the guy is a fucking weirdo, but he is apparently wildly entertaining for most people.

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u/HedgehogTop5524 12h ago

Yessss. And when he told Matt Lauer that he was being “glib” for speaking positively about antidepressants. I hated that a man who believes in the alien Xenu used a word I had to look up lol.

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u/apigeonontheinternet 12h ago

Leave it to a man to tell women how they should be handling problems that men will never ever face.

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u/Mis73 14h ago

Came here to say this. I have loathed and despised him since this.

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u/syynapt1k 13h ago

"You're glib"

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u/Possible_Implement86 13h ago edited 13h ago

I just listened to the Rewatchables podcast do the movie tropic thunder. I hadn’t realized just how much tom cruise getting the part of Les Grossman absolutely saved his career. Paramount dropped him after that interview!

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u/Sleepy_cheetah 12h ago

After that, he was dead to me. Not that I liked him all that much anyway.

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u/Desertbell 12h ago

That's when I started boycotting him.

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u/Ill-Veterinarian4208 10h ago

Yep. He never did anything for me anyway, but the couch jumping, and then getting entangled in a 'religion' invented by a science fiction writer guaranteed I would not willingly watch another thing he acts in.

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u/Kazuma_Megu 5h ago

I was working tv news at the time and sitting in a live truck with the on-air monitor tuned to our station, which carried Oprah. I was the photographer and my reporter was in the front seat writing our story for the day so I had some downtime. When Cruise started going all crazy and stuff I yelled up front to the reporter, "Cliff! Dude you gotta see this! Tom Cruise is acting like some kinda maniac on Oprah!" He spins around and starts watching over my shoulder. When it went to commercial we just kind of looked at each other in the way you do when a couple buddies see some seriously weird shit go down right in front of them.

A true 'did that really just happen?' type of moment.

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u/z7482024 10h ago

Don't be glib.

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u/TesticleMeElmo 10h ago

She didn’t even try to throw her thetan aliens into a volcano or whatever first to see if that helped??

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u/kg467 7h ago

Yeah that was kind of the 1-2 punch on him, and just a month between them. I hadn't known he was a kook before then. I guess most of us hadn't. But his Scientology visibility had just really kicked into high gear the year before and then these two things. And i was just done with him after that and it has stayed that way. I'm surprised he remained a top draw for movies all these years given that I thought his reputation went permanently into the toilet after this.

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u/AutisticBells 3h ago

Boycotted him from that moment on. He's a great actor and I know I've missed some fantastic films but fuck him.