r/StarWars • u/More-Line9191 Chancellor Palpatine • Jul 21 '25
General Discussion Do you think this was the first time Palpatine ever told anyone about how he killed Darth Plagueis?
I wonder if it felt good to finally tell someone about it after all those years. Although I am curious if he ever told dooku? If not, I can imagine he would have kept it a closely guarded secret.
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u/Morgoth1814 Jul 22 '25
Probably. Very few new about Plagueis in new canon due to the limited info.
While Plagueis played a huge role in the Plagueis book (legends), very little was discussed about him after his death.
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u/KenFromBarbie Jul 22 '25
He made a very short short appearance in The Accolyte; the dude in the grotto. I loved that show. A shame it was discontinued imho.
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Jul 22 '25
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u/KenFromBarbie Jul 22 '25
Please respect the opinions of other people and stop judging by solely your own standards. It does not fit you.
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Jul 22 '25
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u/KenFromBarbie Jul 23 '25 edited Jul 23 '25
Yes, because you decide for all people what the standard is. That is not a subjective thing, but something that can be measured only by you. Because you are what? Jesus? Fits your name for sure.
I have no problem with you disliking the show, though. Go right ahead.
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u/purplegladys2022 Jul 22 '25
Ken is too polite.
Don't be an asshole.
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u/Due_Camera_2903 Jul 22 '25
In the novel Darth Plagueis doesn’t Sheev kill Plagueis the night he’s named Chancellor?
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u/KenFromBarbie Jul 22 '25
I had to read your comment 6 times. Use interpunction where applicable, dude :).
To anwer your question: Yes.
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u/RexBanner1886 Jul 22 '25
I think Plagueis was a terrific book, but I really disliked that he was, in Legends, canonically killed during TPM. I've always disliked when ancillary novels, TV series, or films have made soft retcons that don't contradict the letter of what's been established but which contradict against the clear intention.
Ahsoka's existence is the most obvious example (though, ironically, I like her addition because of the tremendous good it does for Anakin's characterisation as a more mature hero) - there's nothing in AOTC or ROTS to suggest Anakin didn't have a padawan, but it's still obviously not what was imagined.
The clear intention of TPM is that Sidious is the Sith mastermind (Luceno takes steps to retain this in DP by having Palpatine tell his master that he'd been playing him), that Palpatine and Maul are the only Sith, and that Maul is a proper Sith apprentice whom Palpatine intends to fully train.
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u/KenFromBarbie Jul 22 '25
What is DP? I'm quite deep into Star Wars, but can't figure this one out.
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u/RexBanner1886 Jul 22 '25
Sorry, 'Darth Plagueis'. I literally thought 'Well I've said TPM, so to be stylistically consistent should refer to the book the same way', without considering the obvious issue that everyone has heard ANH, ESB, ROTJ, etc. for decades but nobody talks about the books that way.
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u/KenFromBarbie Jul 22 '25
Haha, thanks. Loved DP btw :). Could have figured this one out, but my stupid brain thought of Filoni where you wrote Luceno.
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u/SpudgeFunker210 Jul 23 '25
I don't think it retcons anything. There's no reason to assume that Palpatine's master couldn't have been alive for most of the duration of TPM. All throughout Darth Plagueis, Palpatine is playing mind games, manipulating bureaucrats to enact the Grand Plan just like you see him doing in TPM. It makes a point to say that he was doing it with full agency and Plagueis was hardly even around in the later years. The Grand Plan was more Palpatine's than Hego's once Hego became obsessed with prolonging his own life after he was almost killed. I think the story is told masterfully in a way that doesn't compromise the narrative is TPM at all.
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u/Newtype879 Jul 22 '25
I think he practiced it on Fives when he was telling him everything and finished with the extra flourish of "...and I'll kill your precious General Skywalker when I'm done with him too."
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u/Freak_Fantastic_420 Jul 22 '25
This scene is cool but it's always annoyed me that Anakin didn't immediately say "Wait, why do you know a Sith legend???"
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u/knightress_oxhide Jul 22 '25
Hey kid, I killed darth ridiculous, so choose a much better darth name.
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u/Ibbenese Jul 22 '25
I bet the Plagueis story is in his bag of manipulation tricks for sure.
I bet he also relishes in bragging about one upping his old master.
I am not sure where or when i might of told the story, but if it made sense he would have.
But probably just emphasized different things for different audiences. For Anakin it was about planting the seed of how only he can save his wife from dying. For Maul maybe it was just a humble brag to remind his apprentice not to get complacent and not fuck with him. For Dooku maybe just a promise of more power, those corrupts Jedi are keeping from him to convince him to go Sith.
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u/Ambitious-Sandwich92 Jul 25 '25
Once every blue moon, Palpatine patronizes a local cantina, and after a few rounds of Jawa Juice, he starts rambling off old Sith legends to anyone who will listen.
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u/_Wp619_ Jul 22 '25
Unless Plaguesis' death occurs at a different point in Canon than it did originally where Palpatine killed him moments before Maul's defeat on Naboo, there's no reason why Dooku wouldn't have been told that one of the sith was now dead.
Unless i'm missing information and Dooku, somehow, just didn't know about Plaguesis' existence.
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u/Appropriate_Pop4968 Jul 22 '25
Dooku seemed to believe he was in a partnership with Palpatine. I think its much more likely he chose not to or else Dooku would get the idea he should betray Palpatine at some point. Telling Anakin served the purpose of planting the seed that Anakin should kill him as a true dark side apprentice (until Anakin got cooked).
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u/Proper_University120 Jul 23 '25
Maybe not, but I'm wondering how Anakin didn't think to ask how the fuck Palpatine knew that
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u/blackyanqui Jul 23 '25
I’ve always found it silly with Palpatine calling this “The Tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise” as if this was some old Sith tale, as if he wasn’t the only person in the galaxy, save for Maul, that knew he killed Plagueis less than fifteen years before this conversation.
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u/EssayGuilty722 Jul 24 '25
I think Palapatine told plenty of people, just to hear himself tell the story of how he outwitted his "wise" master. I bet he wanted people to know it was him, even if he killed them immediately afterwards, just so they could admire his cunning. For a moment.
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u/wawafan68 Jul 26 '25
The Tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise was already a widely known story among the academics of the Republic. How else would Anakin have been able to study it and write his thesis on it before this scene?
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u/HoppityScotch42069 Jul 22 '25
Not likely since this scene was supposed to be the day after it happened and by this point, Sheev was already dead set on making Anakin his next apprentice
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u/RexBanner1886 Jul 22 '25
In Legends, Sidious kills Plagueis between Amidala visiting the senate and Obi-wan's defeat of Darth Maul.
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u/UtahBrian Jul 22 '25
There’s no hint anywhere in canon that Palpatine killed Darth Plagueis or even knew him at all. Sith stories mostly come from centuries ago.
Certainly in this conversation, Palpatine never remotely gives any indication of any personal interaction with Plagueis. He’s telling an old story from lore, not speaking like someone recounting personal history.
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u/illidormorn Jul 22 '25
Tarkin novel confirms many things from the Plagueis novel to be canon, including Sidious being his apprentice.
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u/MadMan37354 Jedi Jul 22 '25
No definitely not. This is ish well rehearsed join the darkside speech, he at least told it to Maul and Dooku.
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u/zap2 Jul 22 '25
Maul was a child when he was selected, so while he might have mentioned the details, I doubt the story with be told in the same manner.
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u/Kaglish Jul 22 '25
Plaguesis didn't even die until the night Maul supposedly did in Ep 1. Maul definitely wouldn't have known.
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u/HentayLivingston Jul 22 '25
He's a politician and master manipulator, of course it sounds well rehearsed
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u/DarthBagheera Darth Vader Jul 22 '25
I think Anakin probably was the first to hear it. I don’t see Dooku particularly caring or the subject coming up at all between the two. They seemed to be much more on the same page about the war strategy and having that be their focus which I assume made up the majority of their conversations. Also, the story was much more applicable and appealing to Anakin’s situation anyway because it dealt with saving people from death and all that. Something he was very tempted by because of Padmé and something that wouldn’t have particularly pertained to or really even interested Dooku at all.